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RIP he recently passed away.They saw a picture of Derrick Lewis, or the fat guy from UFC 1.
RIP he recently passed away.They saw a picture of Derrick Lewis, or the fat guy from UFC 1.
you haven't seen pride thenNot sure, but I can't imagine anything over 265lb moving well in an mma match.
I have. I can't say I remember how much anybody weighed. Which champs weighed more than 265lbs? Could steroids have anything to do with it?you haven't seen pride then
you don't have to go far out of UFC for that, Brock easily weighted 285 lbs, and had to cut down to fit in. Tim Sylvia out of the ring weighted 300.I have. I can't say I remember how much anybody weighed. Which champs weighed more than 265lbs? Could steroids have anything to do with it?
Yeah. We just had a big thread on this subject. The people who could compete at above 280~ pounds (small weight cut to 265) are incredibly few. I've been thinking about it though and even raising it to 285 would have a similar effect. They could uncap it, that was the general consensus, but that might not be so simple. SHW is 100% unnecessary though, so who knows. Maybe it's inevitable.Just to add onto that going and looking at the prime old K-1 Grand Prix champions with the notable exception of Semmy all the other champions have come under 265lbs(at least according to Wikipedia so idk how reliable that is.)
And those guys were ripped and athletic as hell.
you don't have to go far out of UFC for that, Brock easily weighted 285 lbs, and had to cut down to fit in. Tim Sylvia out of the ring weighted 300.
Bobb Sapp was 330lbs.
Alexander Lungu was like 350
Butterbean fought at 400 lbs
Semmy Schilt 300lbs
Mark Hunt was around 290 in pride
Hong Mai Choi was like 350.
These were just huge men, steroids didn't make them bigger, but certainly gave them extra strength and stamina, but so did everyone else.
Choi was actually pretty good, he got sick and then his career went down the hill. Butterbean won a few mma fights, he was 15-10 in mma https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Eric-Esch-9394.Semmy Schilt I'll give you that one. Bob Sapp wasn't a contender. I think him and Choi were more circus fighters, weren't they? Mark Hunt could make 265 in UFC. Butterbean can't do MMA. Is Lungu a kickboxer or a MMartist?
Quick replies, but answered it well. Butterbean I believe tried MMA but somewhat predictably, that body type was very easy to topple over and keep down. Gigantism fighters are a can of worms and sometimes can't compete without special clearance or certain aids. Bob Sapp too... Who knows his natural weight.Semmy Schilt I'll give you that one. Bob Sapp wasn't a contender. I think him and Choi were more circus fighters, weren't they? Brock, Tim Sylvia, Mark Hunt could make 265 in UFC. Butterbean can't do MMA. Is Lungu a kickboxer or a MMartist?
Fair enough. There are some giants out there but I think the division would be shallow and the quality of mma would suffer. And the only interesting matches (David vs Goliath) would not be sanctioned for healthy and safety reasons. Edit: Butterbean looks like a mainly 1 round fighter win or lose. That's no bueno.Choi was actually pretty good, he got sick and then his career went down the hill. Butterbean won a few mma fights, he was 15-10 in mma https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Eric-Esch-9394.
Lungu had a lot of mma fights, 22-5 or something like that.
It was introduced so us 6'5 340 lb Sherdoggers wouldn't be able to compete and dominate.
Roided Meatheads make great HW brawlers though, and people love Chris Barnett.
That being said, historically "super HW's" (above 265 Ibs or so) have been pretty mediocre. So I don't know why 265 Ibs is agreed upon by commissions and most orgs but it doesn't bring down the quality of HW's in terms of having the best in the sport.
I mean the answer to your question OP might be as simple as thinking there needs to be a weight limit like all the other divisions for HW to be a legitimate weight class.
Obviously not dunce, I get the analogy, just throwing it out there as a possibility of why the 265 Ib cap was made. Its probably an optics thing and an attempt to keep some kind of athletic standard at HW.So, according to you, HW boxing is not a legitimate weight class ?
True, but the big guy was a reigning champion. The limit should be removed and the UFC should just avoid signing slobs who can’t compete at the top level.And even in boxing a much smaller guy just beat one of the biggest boxers of this era.
Football is a very stop start sport though.I played football with lots of guys who would weighed more than 265 pounds where also in good shape. It's doable. Im simply amazed at the fatasses with zero gas tanks that the ufc brings in