How Rare is Khabib's 29-0-0 Record in MMA, Really?

Fioretti said:
Khabib didn't face elites until 20+ fights into his career. That's the point, genius. Franklin fought Machida in his 14th pro fight, he didn't fight Khamiz Mamedov. Give Franklin the Mamedov of the LHW division instead of Machida and he goes into the Silva fight 23-0. Now he's fighting the fucking GOAT in his 24th fight. Khabib fought Michael Johnson in his 24th fight. Little different, fella.
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So we're back to fantasies.

We have no idea whether Franklin would've lost to the equivalent of the grapple heavy Russians Khabib fought (some of which you're downplaying because of your ignorance of the Russian combat scene), or what his career would've looked like otherwise.

I'm going to assume you're still citing imaginary examples because the real world isn't being kind to your argument.


Fioretti said:
Most people think Khabib lost his second fight in the UFC. I see you keep ignoring that bit, don't ya? He was on the lucky end of a split decision.
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You mean I keep ignoring you trying to rewrite reality?

For one, it was a 30 - 27 unanimous decision.

Two, "most" people don't agree with your assessment nowadays.

Wanna know why?

Because claiming Tibau won a fight by landing 2 more strikes over 3 rounds and a TD Khabib popped up from immediately is silly, when Khabib controlled him for 5 minutes (a 3rd of the fight) and landed the only significant damage (with Tibau bleeding, and Khabib fresh as a daisy).

Want me to walk you through the judging criteria?


Fioretti said:
For the same reason that Fulton winning 40 in a row gets scoffed at and is never mentioned.
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Jesus, this again?

Win streaks like Fulton's aren't as impressive because he lost a bunch.

When Khabib's record gets brought up by analysts/pundits/fighters, it's not just that he won 29 times--it's that he was undefeated. That ALWAYS gets mentioned, because not losing over an entire career that long is so rare it's only been done 3 times ever, and only by Khabib if elite wins are required.

Are you really still pretending not to understand the difference between a win streak and a perfect record?
 
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I think no matter how amazing Khabib is, you have to confront the reality that he didn't even try to push the championship. He quit way, way ahead.
 
PunchyMcSplodo said:
So we're back to fantasies.

We have no idea whether Franklin would've lost to the equivalent of the grapple heavy Russians Khabib fought (some of which you're downplaying because of your ignorance of the Russian combat scene), or what his career would've looked like otherwise.

I'm going to assume you're still citing imaginary examples because the real world isn't being kind to your argument.




You mean I keep ignoring you trying to rewrite reality?

For one, it was a 30 - 27 unanimous decision.

Two, "most" people don't agree with your assessment nowadays.

Wanna know why?

Because claiming Tibau won a fight because he landed 2 more strikes over 3 rounds and a TD Khabib popped up from immediately is silly, when Khabib controlled him for 5 minutes and landed the only significant damage of the fight.

Want me to walk you through the judging criteria?




Jesus Christ, this shit again?

Win streaks like Fulton's aren't as impressive because he lost a bunch.

When Khabib's record gets brought up, it's not just that he won 29 times--it's that he was undefeated. That ALWAYS gets mentioned, because not losing over an entire career that long is so rare it's only been done 3 times ever, and only by Khabib if elite wins are required.

Are you really still pretending not to understand the difference between a win streak and a perfect record?
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All he can do is lie and play dumb. Kid doesn't know about what he is talking about
 
WhiteMousse said:
I think no matter how amazing Khabib is, you have to confront the reality that he didn't even try to push the championship. He quit way, way ahead.
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He tied and set the 155 title records. Cleared out the top contenders. I feel like he sufficiently pushed the championship
 
GreatSaintGuillotine said:
And just like that you destroyed this facade of yours yet again. You lie about stats. You lie about rankings. And now you lie about a fight that you've never even seen. Khabib won a unanimous 30-27 decision over Tibau not a split decision.

Stop pretending to know about shit you weren't around for kid
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Shit* decision. Your pretend time patty cake shit is getting old, bud. How can you claim I "wasn't around" when I've been on Sherdog since 04 while you're clearly the child who's only been around for 4 years.

PunchyMcSplodo said:
So we're back to fantasies.

We have no idea whether Franklin would've lost to the equivalent of the grapple heavy Russians Khabib fought (some of which you're downplaying because of your ignorance of the Russian combat scene), or what his career would've looked like otherwise.

I'm going to assume you're still citing imaginary examples because the real world isn't being kind to your argument.




You mean I keep ignoring you trying to rewrite reality?

For one, it was a 30 - 27 unanimous decision.

Two, "most" people don't agree with your assessment nowadays.

Wanna know why?

Because claiming Tibau won a fight by landing 2 more strikes over 3 rounds and a TD Khabib popped up from immediately is silly, when Khabib controlled him for 5 minutes (a 3rd of the fight) and landed the only significant damage (with Tibau bleeding, and Khabib fresh as a daisy).

Want me to walk you through the judging criteria?




Jesus, this again?

Win streaks like Fulton's aren't as impressive because he lost a bunch.

When Khabib's record gets brought up by analysts/pundits/fighters, it's not just that he won 29 times--it's that he was undefeated. That ALWAYS gets mentioned, because not losing over an entire career that long is so rare it's only been done 3 times ever, and only by Khabib if elite wins are required.

Are you really still pretending not to understand the difference between a win streak and a perfect record?
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Fulton's win streaks that exceeded Khabib's aren't impressive because they were against insignificant fighters, like 80% of Khabib's career. Of course they're going to emphasize that 0 - it's a justification. It's what you're desperately clinging onto to push a narrative for your favey.

Many people believe Tibau won that fight. Don't kid yourself.
 
Fioretti said:
Shit* decision. Your pretend time patty cake shit is getting old, bud. How can you claim I "wasn't around" when I've been on Sherdog since 04 while you're clearly the child who's only been around for 4 years
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No body buys your bs story kid. I've been watching mma far longer than I've been on this site and certainly longer than you.
 
Fioretti said:
Fulton's win streaks that exceeded Khabib's aren't impressive because they were against insignificant fighters, like 80% of Khabib's career. Of course they're going to emphasize that 0 - it's a justification. It's what you're desperately clinging onto to push a narrative for your favey.
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You know that at this point of the discussion, the fact that you're still pretending this is just about streaks and not perfect records is a very transparent attempt to avoid the actual accomplishment, right?

There's a reason that long win streaks in and of themselves are more frequent than perfect records as long as Khabib's. The latter is almost impossible, and the former is much easier.

That's the reason the undefeated part is what gets emphasized, always. It's almost never done, as this thread has proved.

Just admit you can't properly argue against the rarity of a perfect record as long aa Khabib's. There's no shame in that, since trying to claim it's not one of the rarest accomplishments in the sport is a stupid argument, given the evidence.


Fioretti said:
Many people believe Tibau won that fight. Don't kid yourself.
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Dude, if you want to argue 2 extra strikes over 3 rounds that did no damage and a TD with no control time >> 5 minutes of control time and strikes that actually did visible damage, be my guest.

Otherwise, don't appeal to an imaginary consensus for a fight that's been reevaluated.
 
PunchyMcSplodo said:
You know that at this point of the discussion, the fact that you're still pretending this is just about streaks and not perfect records is a very transparent attempt to avoid the actual accomplishment, right?

There's a reason that long won streaks in and of themselves are more frequent than perfect records as long as Khabib's. The latter is almost impossible, and the former is much easier.

Just admit you can't properly argue against the rarity of a perfect record as long aa Khabib's. There's no shame in that, since trying to claim it's not one of the rarest accomplishments in the sport is a stupid argument, given the evidence.




Dude, if you want to argue 2 extra strikes over 3 rounds that did no damage and a TD with no control time >> 5 minutes of control time and strikes that actually did visible damage, be my guest.

Otherwise, don't appeal to an imaginary consensus for a fight that's been reevaluated.
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Just answer one question, friend. You're saying it's not easier to do against lower tier competition?
 
Only Jones and Fedor have similar win streaks at the start of a career that meet or exceed the total value of Khabib's (this is assuming you take the most generous interpretation of Jones and Fedor's records).

Regarding strength of schedule, there is a point to be made there, but the fact that Khabib took minimal damage, lost barely any rounds, and ran through the top guys at the time buffers against the point to some degree.

Khabib's tenure and SOS/top win list is a reason to block him from Mt. Rushmore, but not a reason to block him from the GOAT LW title.
 
Fioretti said:
Nobody buys your bs story, kid. You have almost 16k posts on a karate forum in a little over 5 years. Do your parents know you troll so much?
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Lol you realize that's only 8 posts a day? Probably not, you don't seem like math would be your strong suit. And I barely come on here anymore. I have 1 long convo a week. Oh the horror lol.

I recognize your writing style tho. You def have alt accounts on here.
 
Fioretti said:
Just answer one question, friend. You're saying it's not easier to do against lower tier competition?
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Sure, in the sense that when I expanded the criteria to include all cans who've ever fought in MMA no matter how shitty the competition, the statistic went from 1 person who ever did it to 3 people who ever did it.

So it went from something that like 0.0001% of all MMA fighters who've ever fought have done, to something 0.0003% have done.

Technically that's easier, sure.
 
PunchyMcSplodo said:
Sure, in the sense that when I expanded the criteria to include all cans who've ever fought in MMA no matter how shitty the competition, the statistic went from 1 person who ever did it to 3 people who ever did it.

So it went from something that like 0.0001% of all MMA fighters who've ever fought have done, to something 0.0003% have done.

Technically that's easier, sure.
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Now look at this long ass list of dudes who are on the same path:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undefeated_mixed_martial_artists

Seem a little easier? What do they all have in common? How many of those last names end in V? Do you see the pattern?
 
Fioretti said:
Now look at this long ass list of dudes who are on the same path:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undefeated_mixed_martial_artists

Seem a little easier? What do they all have in common? How many of those last names end in V? Do you see the pattern?
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Cool, bro. They'll all be valid examples if and when they actually do it, and are just imaginary examples until then.

I do see a pattern, in that a style from a particular region is dominating the sport, even though you swear the people they fight in Russia are just cans. Just to emphasize the point I'm making and tear your implication to shreds, what's Team Eagle's combined record in just Bellator, WSOF, and the UFC again?
 
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