How long does it take to develop good defensive grappling?

[Ogata]

If a kickboxer wants to fight in the UFC. How long do they have to practice submission and takedown defense as well as knowing when to scramble back up to their feet?

In this scenario, the fighter has no interest in grappling but just avoiding and escaping locks and subs. Can a person learn this in 1 year with a private instructor before they are UFC ready?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Not in a year, no. Maybe enough to turn pro and fight in the regionals but it's going to take a lot more than a years TDD training to stop someone like Colby Covington taking you down.

 

[campbecc]

Cro Cop did it insanely quick, but he's the exception not the rule.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

I’ve been winging over hands for a year and still get choked/stomped out on the regular

 

[Normot]

Depends on who they are and who they are expecting to fight.. Izzy has world class takedown defense but he fought MMA for years before fighting a wrestler.

A lot of guys have been in the UFC for years where the best wrestler they fight is a guy with a good HS wrestling record. So sure, a lot of guys could be UFC ready in a year but still not ready to stop a good wrestler.

 

[Memeojima]

6 months. No more no less

 

[G10]

Depends. Carlos Condit has been fighting for over a decade, and he still doesn't defend takedowns.

 

[campbecc]

Depends. Carlos Condit has been fighting for over a decade, and he still doesn't defend takedowns.

And Cro Cop had world class TDD inside a year of training. So it varies by person.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Depends. Carlos Condit has been fighting for over a decade, and he still doesn't defend takedowns.

Yeah, there's a thing called talent that also affects this. It's like asking how long you need to train wrestling as an adult before you get like GSP.

 

[ninja boot]

i can't help but to assume that this entire thread is about Greg Hardy's lackluster turtle defense. if so, i don't see his ground game every coming around.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

All depends on the fighter... You have strikers like Style Bender that never get taken down and Olympic Wrestlers like Couture and Hendo that were out grappled by far lesser grapplers... And no one is going to stop a Khabib level ground smesh with a year of wrestling / grappling...

 

[humdizzle]

a few hours to years. depends.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Maurice Smith seemed to develop it pretty quick back in the day

 

[GrantB13]

Defense I would think would be much quicker to learn than offense. That's one of the reasons we don't see many submission variations too much. Most guys can learn enough fairly quickly to know how not to get subbed unless they are vastly outmatched if I had to guess.

 

[Straatblaffer]

i can't help but to assume that this entire thread is about Greg Hardy's lackluster turtle defense. if so, i don't see his ground game every coming around.

I felt it's more about a guy like Rico Verhoeven. I want to see him in mma so bad

 

[Iron Skin]

2 to 4 years for normal people, a couple of minutes for A level athletes

 

[Rajon Rondo]

6 months people usually say. TDD is actually easier than doing a TD

 

[Pain4Pain]

Cro Cop did it insanely quick, but he's the exception not the rule.

People overlook the fact that he had average skills as a grappler but superb physical strength, which is why few guys like Fedor were able to take him down.

Good TDD can definitely be achieved in 1-2 years if you are physically strong for your size, but by good I mean decent. Learning submission defense once you're on your back takes much more work, I'd say the purple belt equivalent is mandatory on the UFC level, but then you have guys like Gaethje or Rumble who rarely get taken down, but when they do, they are easy to beat.

 

[fightfan70]

i believe the proper sherdog response is: fighter "x" could train his whole life and never be as good as so and so.

so i think its subjective, based upon fighter.

 

[Luckyme]

i can't help but to assume that this entire thread is about Greg Hardy's lackluster turtle defense. if so, i don't see his ground game every coming around.

I dunno, he picked up the standup rather quickly. He was winning the fight until he got taken down, It might be that he doesn’t prioritize BJJ training like Gaethje or his ground game is still developing.