How long before the next Conor level star comes to the UFC?

No one comes close to Conor.

Guys like izzy, Jones etc are unpopular as fuck compared to Conor.
 
Let me at em TS i'll shout out Sherdog after every win too.
 
avenue94 said:
Woudn't you blame the UFC here? They could have stripped Conor anytime or twisted his arm into fighter, that's on them, not the actual fighter.

he has potential but very much doubt it. He's very likely not good enough to win a belt and he's a BW. I've also seen little evidence that he can sell PPVs or draw huge gates. If you want to be a combat sports star, you have to be able to win the title. There are very few exceptions to that rule.
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I don’t disagree with you, and I didn’t actually put the blame on anyone specific. There is plenty of blame to go around, sure mostly the company, as well as McGregor, but also all the low IQ sheep who make such a thing in demand and profitable.

But yeah my point was mostly that I’d rather not see it again because it hurts to sport.
 
Gamer007 said:
50 years or more, Conor got the Mayweather rub and then went on to sell 2.4mil buys against the future GOAT LW who many people felt was a terrible matchup for him, not only was this Khabib guy the future LW GOAT but he was also undefeated and had support from large parts of the eastern world.

Mayweather, the biggest PPV wizard of all time
Mcgregor, the biggest star in MMA history by a MILE

Naw this isn't happening again, the Mayweather rub was real, even Conor at his peak couldn't do anything close to 2mil. Enjoy the big moments we have now, because we are long overdue for another dark age. Coming to any other conclusion honestly sounds like wishful thinking, look at stars like Tyson who fought in the 80's! It's almost 40 years later and he's still that guy, 3 of the top 10 PPV events EVER!

So we're going to get a star massively bigger than Tyson or Conor? Not plausible especially with millennials having no money to spend on these fights.
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Mayweather rub? Conor was consistently selling huge PPv's before Mayweather. Mayweather's last ppv before Conor was 400k, while Conor was close to 2 million with fight night fighter Diaz, so in reality mayweather got the Mcregor rub. Mayweather needed huge star opponents to draw, while Conor created stars himself and drew huge with fighters who previously never drew a dime. He has proven to be the bigger PPV star and possibly in history. Half of his star power was his personality and charisma, which is a very rare combination with someone that can fight. We probably wont see his like again for decades.
 
Gamer007 said:
50 years or more, Conor got the Mayweather rub and then went on to sell 2.4mil buys against the future GOAT LW who many people felt was a terrible matchup for him, not only was this Khabib guy the future LW GOAT but he was also undefeated and had support from large parts of the eastern world.

Mayweather, the biggest PPV wizard of all time
Mcgregor, the biggest star in MMA history by a MILE
Khabib, just the greatest LW of all time with an undefeated record and at the peak of his powers, top 20 fighter ever.
Jose Aldo, GOAT FW and living legend brought down in 13 seconds, flipping the entire MMA world upside down.
Nate Diaz, the ultimate anti-establishment star for the hardcores who started his career during the height of TUF. Basically the ultimate nemesis for Mcgregor.
Then you have other guys like De la hoya who helped Mayweather become the star he was, with a top 5 PPV in the history of combat sports.

These guys were all a huge part of the Mcgregor story and success, you won't get this mix of talent, revenue, and star power for atleast the next 50 years, maybe ever.

That's not even mentioning how great Aldo was and how defeating him helped catapult Conor to the moon, so you'll likely need another GOAT contender somewhere in the story.

This new person would not only have to be a huge PPV attraction himself, he'll need multiple top 5-20 all time great fighters to overcome, plus a cult favorite like Nate Diaz in there. Then he'll need to remain undefeated for a long portion of his career and hope for some kind of crossover madness with another GOAT tier PPV star, because you aren't approaching 2mil buys without some kind of luck, you'd need someone like Mayweather who's had bigger fights than you to join the fray. So Conor or Canelo would have to come out of retirement to fight this guy.

Even guys like Izzy who had a name before MMA, is super flashy, has great charisma, came into MMA blazing hot, with an undefeated record all the way to the title, even he isn't anywhere near this equation. We witnessed a weird time in history, I don't think this is happening again. In fact I'd go as far as it never happening in the lifetime of anyone on this forum, because if legends like Jones and DC can't even approach the numbers needed, it doesn't seem possible.

Maybe if the UFC goes back to open weight competition so more stars can enter the fray, some avengers shit. Because Khabib, Conor, Mayweather, Aldo, Diaz, these guys aren't all going to be replaced all at the same time, realistically they may never be replaced with an equivalent. I mean what are the chances of a cult star like Diaz? A tuf OG who fought alongside his well known BROTHER IN THE SAME ORGANIZATION! A guy who had already fought for a world title and built his name up, a guy who was an absolute bad ass. That's not even mentioning the other 4 who are either GOAT tiers fighters or GOAT tier stars, or both. Then you have to factor the calcification of wealth world wide, and how that will effect PPV buy rates into the future, in consort with modern piracy and technology.

The story and recipe had to be so perfect for MMA to reach that 2.4mil mark, then you have to include that none of these guys suffered major injuries during these moments, then you have to factor guys like RDA who got injured and never got to stop the absolute avalanche of hype that was Conor Mcgregor at the time. If that cocky undisciplined version of Conor got smashed by RDA, he would've never gotten the Mayweather fight, everything had to go perfect.

Then even if you find someone who has immense star power they not only have to be a great fighter and get lucky with matchups and injuries, they also have to speak fluent english to even sniff the 1mil+ buy range, let alone 2mil+ so that shrinks things even further.

Naw this isn't happening again, the Mayweather rub was real, even Conor at his peak couldn't do anything close to 2mil until Mayweather joined in. Enjoy the big moments we have now, because we are long overdue for another dark age. Coming to any other conclusion honestly sounds like wishful thinking, look at stars like Tyson who fought in the 80's! It's almost 40 years later and he's still that guy, 3 of the top 10 PPV events EVER!

So we're going to get a star massively bigger than Tyson or Conor? Not plausible especially with millennials having no money to spend on these fights.
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you’re underestimating the charisma and wit of McGregor. In his prime, he was funny as fuck, and his press conferences were a circus. A guy who called his shots and pulled them off.
 
Roids said:
Mayweather rub? Conor was consistently selling huge PPv's before Mayweather. Mayweather's last ppv before Conor was 400k, while Conor was close to 2 million with fight night fighter Diaz, so in reality mayweather got the Mcregor rub. Mayweather needed huge star opponents to draw, while Conor created stars himself and drew huge with fighters who previously never drew a dime. He has proven to be the bigger PPV star and possibly in history. Half of his star power was his personality and charisma, which is a very rare combination with someone that can fight. We probably wont see his like again for decades.
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Conor vs Aldo - 1.4mil

Conor vs Diaz - 1.5mil

Conor vs Diaz 2 - 1.6mil

Conor vs Eddie - 1.3mil

INSERT MAYWEATHER FIGHT - SECOND BIGGEST PPV EVER!

Conor vs Khabib - 2.4-2.5mil BIGGEST FIGHT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UFC! (Post Mayweather)

Conor vs Dustin - 1.6 BACK TO NORMAL

He's back to his normal numbers now, it's just facts.

During his MMA prime he was a huge star, but he obviously became an absolute icon during the Mayweather build up.

Mayweather holds 4 of the top 5 PPV's ever, there's no way you can deny the rub. Mayweather knew how to find other stars and play the heel to their hero, but he was a bigger name than Conor no doubt. you can bring up 400k, but that was at the literal end of his career against a no name (respectfully), Andre Berto. Just a few months after many people were dissapointed in the May vs Pac fight, because expectations always get so crazy high for big fights. It's well documented how many fans purposefully didn't buy the PPV.
 
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So he wasn't an icon while consistently drawing 1.5m ppv's with fight night level fights previously, which no fighter in history has done other than Prime Tyson? Even prime mayweather was not consistently drawing those kinds of numbers, which proves Conor was already the bigger ppv star before they met.

As for the Khabib fight, you are conveniently ignoring that this was a huge fight against an undefeated fighter which is the real reason it was so huge. Fighting Floyd helped but you have the 'rub' the wrong way around. Nobody cared for Floyd unless he fought established big stars. Only prime tyson draw huge vs anyone he fought, just like Conor. Floyd never did, facts. You can list his top 5 PPv's but they were all against already huge ppv stars. More facts.
 
Roids said:
So he wasn't an icon while consistently drawing 1.5m ppv's with fight night level fights previously, which no fighter in history has done other than Prime Tyson? Even prime mayweather was not consistently drawing those kinds of numbers, which proves Conor was already the bigger ppv star before they met.

As for the Khabib fight, you are conveniently ignoring that this was a huge fight against an undefeated fighter which is the real reason it was so huge. Fighting Floyd helped but you have the 'rub' the wrong way around. Nobody cared for Floyd unless he fought established big stars. Only prime tyson draw huge vs anyone he fought, just like Conor. Floyd never did, facts. You can list his top 5 PPv's but they were all against already huge ppv stars. More facts.
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So if that's true then show me the numbers that Khabib did on his own? Even after he got the Mcgregor rub? Since his undefeated record and star power was the reason the fight was so huge?

I already acknowledged in my original post that Oscar was a huge part of this story as his rub on Mayweather helped turn Conor into an even bigger star years later. Did you read the entire post?

but Mayweather was doing shit like 1.4mil versus Shane Mosley or 1.25mil against Ortiz, so trying to act like he wasn't a huge star isn't true.

Before the Aldo fight Conor wasn't doing 1.5mil buys, he did just over 1 million against Chad mendes. You always need someone to boost your profile, I don't see what the disagreement is? Hell Conor only did 1.3mil when the diaz fights were over and he fought for the world title against Alverez, I'm not seeing your point.

But since Khabib was the main reason that fight did 2.5 milion, lets see what numbers he's pulled before and since that fight. Do you got beef with Mayweather or something?
 
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