News How is anyone not talking about the UFC Antitrust lawsuit?

superpunch said:
There's a reason Dana/ the UFC are the only org that's managed to stay around for a long time and no go bankrupt.. They know what they're doing. Every time I think Dana makes a fuck up, he always wins. He's always right. Humble yourself and realize you don't know shit about the business and you're totally incompetent compared to the ufc's president.

I don't even try anymore. I simply trust him/ the UFC. They're way smarter than me. It's like trying to argue about COVID against doctors, and thinking you know more about science than scientists. That's you, and all the other "smart fans", here. No, you don't know more about MMA promoting than the only and the best successful MMA promoter of all time.

This corporation is what gives us the best fights in the world!! Without them, MMA wouldn't even a sport. Even if it existed, it would be like boxing: champs every 3 lbs, and 5 champs for every weight class. Show some respect to the company!
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Is this a bit? What does any of this have to do with what I said?
 
Dreyga2000 said:
@klfo @Sweater of AV

Is there anyway to take this PMs? Or perhaps you could just to block one and other? All it takes is for one of you to ignore the other and this feud will end.

Or maybe we could try to reach a middle ground...
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No need to get worked up about things bud. It's all good and useful discussion.
 
Jitter said:
I understand what your saying, but there are other fighting leagues. If you want to play american football is basically the nfl or bust after college. Fighters put their body through hell, but again they know what they are getting into. If nate diaz for example was not in the ufc, what kinda job do you think he would have or what kind of $$ would he be making compared to what he has now. I can see both sides of the argument, but i always come back to America is a free country and you can choose your profession.
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The other promotions don't come anywhere close to the UFC in terms of size/talent. The FTC won't wait until the UFC has a 100% monopoly before taking action despite what some people think. In the past, they've overseen or taken part in companies breaking up long before they became a real monopoly. The current guideline is around 50% but I heard 30% or 1/3 before so maybe it got bumped up by corporate lobbyists.
The "land of the free" is only nice as a slogan/song but most people know now that big corporations and the ultra wealthy rig things in their favor. If fighters took in the major share of the profits instead of execs like Dana/WME who don't add anything to the product then America would really be the land of the free.
 
nhbfan8080 said:
The other promotions don't come anywhere close to the UFC in terms of size/talent. The FTC won't wait until the UFC has a 100% monopoly before taking action despite what some people think. In the past, they've overseen or taken part in companies breaking up long before they became a real monopoly. The current guideline is around 50% but I heard 30% or 1/3 before so maybe it got bumped up by corporate lobbyists.
The "land of the free" is only nice as a slogan/song but most people know now that big corporations and the ultra wealthy rig things in their favor. If fighters took in the major share of the profits instead of execs like Dana/WME who don't add anything to the product then America would really be the land of the free.
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The problem the fighters face is there’s nothing stopping them from taking their “product” to other orgs, or at least testing their market value with other orgs. If the fighters were the only product they should be able to sell that product to the highest bidder.

If fans won’t watch the same fighter in bellator it’s hard to say the fighter is the only product.
 
Good these recent cuts were disgusting dana needs to be stopped. All that hgh and trt went to his head
 
Yep. This is a huge deal. Could potentially destroy the UFC
 
Dreyga2000 said:
There really isn’t anything to talk about yet. UFC is going to appeal. That’s gonna take months/years.

If the class holds up after that then shit gets real
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correct answer.

its only like a third of the way there, if that. also think about how long its been since it was filed. pshh, itll bel like 2034 before anything is finally done
 
I think it's both

UFC has been screwing fighters but at the same time there's ton of fans that think these guys should be making NBA money. MMA as a whole (event participation per year and TV deal wise) is basically minor league compared to real sports leagues.

These guys should be better off but where not talking about prelim guys being easy six figure payouts lets be real here
 
TerrorTimmy said:
I hope for a settlement where fighters get around 60% of revenues earned. 18% or whatever it is now is fucking insulting.
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The only 2 indepedent contractor sports leagues I know (ATP Tennis and PGA tour) pay just under 30% of revenued earned so good luck with 60%.........

UFC is cheap but reality is this isn't a very popular sport. Even if you increased pay 30-40% half the roster is still basically broke
 
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nhbfan8080 said:
The other promotions don't come anywhere close to the UFC in terms of size/talent. The FTC won't wait until the UFC has a 100% monopoly before taking action despite what some people think. In the past, they've overseen or taken part in companies breaking up long before they became a real monopoly. The current guideline is around 50% but I heard 30% or 1/3 before so maybe it got bumped up by corporate lobbyists.
The "land of the free" is only nice as a slogan/song but most people know now that big corporations and the ultra wealthy rig things in their favor. If fighters took in the major share of the profits instead of execs like Dana/WME who don't add anything to the product then America would really be the land of the free.
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It's 2020, everyone and their grandmother has the ability to just put a ring in their backyard and broadcast to the world. There are no barriers to entry: this is why the UFC is not a monopoly. And, since there are no barriers to accessing consumers, it's hard to call the UFC a monopsony. Yes, they do happen to be the primary purchaser of fighters' labor; but there are no barriers to the fighters selling their labor themselves directly to the consumer.

So, if Dana/ WME don't add anything to the product, then why don't fighters just bypass the middleman and stream their own fights?

I think the real answer is that Dana/ the UFC bring everything to the product, and the fighters bring much less to the product than some of them think they do.
 
The legal process luls people to sleep. This is huge news. Give it a chance to settle in and consider the implications going forward. And then settle in for a lot more wait and see.

It is a trickle with lawsuits.

And this isn't exactly the day and age of antitrust... AT&T is bigger today than it was when it was originally broken up into all the bell companies. It has now reabsorbed all of those companies (well western bell co has and became the new att) and is arguably more in violation of antitrust since it is controlling not just market share but ancillary markets as well by purchasing content creators thus further gaining monopolistic leverage over competition.
 
Worst case the UFC settles. I doubt that they are going to risk going to to trail on this one it's too big.
 
I actually used to be a class action lawyer.

In summary: getting class cert is huge and means the plaintiffs now have massive bargaining power. They could probably settle it today for 50 million plus. We'll see what happens, hopefully they proceed a bit further.
 
johndhi said:
I actually used to be a class action lawyer.

In summary: getting class cert is huge and means the plaintiffs now have massive bargaining power. They could probably settle it today for 50 million plus. We'll see what happens, hopefully they proceed a bit further.
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And $50m may work for the plaintiffs but may not have the impact some posters want going forward.
 
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