How good is Conors Jujitsu/grappling skills?

[GUY]

Based on his MMA career, his ground game is above average, but that’s it. He is 100% defensive and is non-threatening on the ground. He has good TDD and a good base/shrimping, but his pure rank of brown belt simple doesn’t “show” in the octagon. To be fair, Jon Jones was a blue belt, but combined with wrestling, he mauls people.... Yes Conor can fight, but his BJJ is very rudimentary from what we have on him.

Even his competition no-gi stuff was rudimentary. It’s not like he’s tapping guys even at the NAGA or United Gracie tournaments, both below tier competitions. He can fight and has good instinct period, I just don’t see “Brown belt” in him. Purple yeah, but that’s even more his athleticism and ease of movement; not true purple belt, legit depth. This is no knock on him as a fighter.

I think Conor has shown much better BJJ than Jones. Jones was never in a bad position on the ground because of his wrestling.

 

[YungSithLxrd]

Imagine getting your black belt from kavanagh. Should just throw that useless shit in the trash.
Has he ever rolled on video before against a credible bjj guy?

I think Danis technically is or at least WAS his grappling coach for a while but im not really knowledgeable on his achievements or skill level

 

[Coconutwater]

I think Conor has shown much better BJJ than Jones. Jones was never in a bad position on the ground because of his wrestling.

It’s hard to say, the lines blur between BJJ and wrestling. Jon almost got armbarred by Vitor while Conor got tapped 4x. One can argue he was gassed and wanted an out, which is different from skill so...

 

[GUY]

It’s hard to say, the lines blur between BJJ and wrestling. Jon almost got armbarred by Vitor while Conor got tapped 4x. One can argue he was gassed and wanted an out, which is different from skill so...

I think Conor got tapped 4x because his wrestling is not as good as Jones and he gets in worst positions. He spent the fight against khabib on his back, when have you seen the same happen to Jones?

 

[Coconutwater]

I think Conor got tapped 4x because his wrestling is not as good as Jones and he gets in worst positions. He spent the fight against khabib on his back, when have you seen the same happen to Jones?

Assuming both Jones and Conor had to fight off their back, without getting back up, who has the better sweeps and subs from bottom? Neither seem focused on finishing with subs even if the opportunities arose.

 

[kflo]

It’s hard to say, the lines blur between BJJ and wrestling. Jon almost got armbarred by Vitor while Conor got tapped 4x. One can argue he was gassed and wanted an out, which is different from skill so...

Again, do you really think getting subbed 10-12 years ago says anything about his grappling today?

 

[Coconutwater]

Again, do you really think getting subbed 10-12 years ago says anything about his grappling today?

No, but he did get tapped twice in the last few years, probably due to wanting an out, but we can’t just ignore that fact...

 

[kflo]

No, but he did get tapped twice in the last few years, probably due to wanting an out, but we can’t just ignore that fact...

He got tapped due to being gassed and facing elite level grapplers punching him in the face.

 

[MCS]

His belt rank, brown, is accurate. Can hold his own against top LW grapplers, but is also at a noticeable disadvantage against long-time black belts like Nate and Khabib (Khabib is a black belt in skill).

He is not a fake brown belt who gets tapped constantly against similar level. He actually has shown good skills, like against Max and even against Khabib.

There are BB's like Swanson who get subbed on the regular. Then there are BB's like Nate who will have the edge BJJ for BJJ 9/10 times. The difference between Swanson and Nate is massive, yet same belt rank. Poirier is a new black belt, so the grappling is close between him and Conor.

His main weakness isn't BJJ. It's getting stuck on the bottom against a wrestler with a good top game.

 

[Tian shi]

the only reason he survived to the 4th round is all the cheating attempts, if it wasn't for that, he would ve been submitted in the 2nd round by kimura, like all the other bums. Al iaquinta survived without cheating once.

yes, and we all know khabib had months to train for Al

 

[jx820]

FFS: He hit an X-guard sweep on Nate Diaz it's safe to say he's alright.

 

[Beherit]

yes, and we all know khabib had months to train for Al

Al iaquinta too wasn't ready for khabib, so not an excuse !

 

[VinceArch]

It's honestly good.

 

[Tian shi]

Al iaquinta too wasn't ready for khabib, so not an excuse !

Khabib needs months to prepare for fights, it’s called a routine, which many fighters have. So your argument, not an excuse!


Also, before Kavanagh was sbg coach, he was one of the founders of mma in Ireland. It all started years ago in a place in Dublin called Killester. I trained there so can attest to conor’s coach legitimacy ie he has decades of experience and is a fine coach, and McGregor a student he put hours and hours and hours of drills into. It is illogical for someone to be trained for years by a legit coach and not be good

 

[Beherit]

Khabib needs months to prepare for fights, it’s called a routine, which many fighters have. So your argument, not an excuse!


Also, before Kavanagh was sbg coach, he was one of the founders of mma in Ireland. It all started years ago in a place in Dublin called Killester. I trained there so can attest to conor’s coach legitimacy ie he has decades of experience and is a fine coach, and McGregor a student he put hours and hours and hours of drills into. It is illogical for someone to be trained for years by a legit coach and not be good

he might be good, but he is not better than the average khabib's opponent in the UFC at all.

 

[Airdack]

Connor's grappling and ground work is still shit even if trains another decade in it. He has to untrain everthing he knows and start over. You can't teach a "tournament level" bjj or grappling at this time.

You have zero idea what your watching. Conors grappling is solid to say the least. It’s his cardio that fucks him. Once his cardio goes then his grappling goes to shit.

He outgrappled black belt Brandao, including a slick as fuck lateral drop.

He out wrestled max with ease and a bum leg.

He defended against Khabib’s grappling for a few rounds without being in much danger (granted the cheating was a sore spot). Compare Conors 1st round against Khabib to other top LWs Khabib fought and it’s evident his defensive grappling is solid.

Eddie, who had no issue out grappling Pettis, couldn’t even land a takedown on Conor.

He properly defended the guillotine attack by Mendes before finishing him.

Conor also made the right move by going to the outside when Nate went for the guillotine, he just got unlucky that Nate barely caught his ankle which stopped the transition.

Conors been training with Danis for years now. Dildo is an asshole but he’s a god damn good grappler. Ibjjf and Abu Dhabi brown belt world champ. He’s only trained BJJ since he was like 16 and he came a Marcelo black belt by like 23yrs old. One on one training with the kind of bjj pedigree does wonders for one’s ground game.

 

[GUY]

Assuming both Jones and Conor had to fight off their back, without getting back up, who has the better sweeps and subs from bottom? Neither seem focused on finishing with subs even if the opportunities arose.

BJJ is ground fight, if you are avoiding going to the ground or you are trying to get up that's not really part of BJJ. I am just talking about defensive skills on the ground. Jones seems really good and getting back up really quick, I don't think that is a BJJ technique.

 

[Dana's Moonface]

Are we still going with this bs narrative?

Conors grappling wasn't hot over 10 years ago, but it is fucking good now

If it was shit? He wouldn't win titles in 2 divisions

Come on guys, I don't like his persona, but give his skills credit

I hate liverpool football team much more than conor, but they are awesome

 

[Coconutwater]

He got tapped due to being gassed and facing elite level grapplers punching him in the face.

Sure, that was my guess, but toss him in a gi, brown belt tournament of medium size, and I get the feeling he’d get handled. I’m not implying he’s a bad MMA grappler, I’m saying his brown belt rank seems high if we’re talking jiu Jitsu.

 

[kflo]

Sure, that was my guess, but toss him in a gi, brown belt tournament of medium size, and I get the feeling he’d get handled. I’m not implying he’s a bad MMA grappler, I’m saying his brown belt rank seems high if we’re talking jiu Jitsu.

Most brown belts are no where near as committed to training as he is. But you’re entitled to your opinion and obviously the very top brown belts are just waiting on their promotion and can win in tournament bjj. That’s the top guys on their way to black. But the average brown belt with legit lineage is almost certainly well below conor on the mat.