How does Ryan Hall think about BJJ?

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The way he thinks about jiu jitsu is fascinating to me. I still remember studying his triangle DVD from back in the day. While I don't expect many of you to truly know or even train at 50/50, I would be interested in hearing about what you've gleaned from his interviews on how he approaches the game.

In particular, he seems to have a great eye for the current state of grappling and where it's going in the future.
 
definitely a pioneer in modern bjj. His teaching style is second to none imo. He is detailed without being long-winded. I dont know how many of his guys are doing as far as wins and losses but he himself is a legend in my eyes
 
I owned half of my game to him. he was john danaher before john danaher.
 
The way he thinks about jiu jitsu is fascinating to me. I still remember studying his triangle DVD from back in the day. While I don't expect many of you to truly know or even train at 50/50, I would be interested in hearing about what you've gleaned from his interviews on how he approaches the game.

In particular, he seems to have a great eye for the current state of grappling and where it's going in the future.

he has a great mind for it and has such a weird ass game he doesnt play guard traditionally either played upside down guard closed or deep half im curious what hed like to do today he stopped competing around the time reverse de la riva and all thew new open guard no gi sweeps came about
 
I owned half of my game to him. he was john danaher before john danaher.

ehh i wouldnt go that far not many bjj dvds were out when he started making his most were brazilians with thick accents and bad voice overs like marcelos at that time him and saulo were prob the best 2 guys producing dvds
 
definitely a pioneer in modern bjj. His teaching style is second to none imo. He is detailed without being long-winded. I dont know how many of his guys are doing as far as wins and losses but he himself is a legend in my eyes

Detailed yes, not long winded? He is second only to Danaher in long winded.
 
Hall definitely has his long winded moments but he has that Craig Jonesesque everyman quality that makes him endearing.

It's really a shame he didn't have a solid crop of competitors under him to tend to. Had he produced some champs under EBI rules I think he would have been where Danaher is today.

Was hoping to spark more discussion about his approach but an appreciation thread is OK too.
 
he says how he likes to break things down on his instructionals and I think it's indicative of how he thinks about things. I think he takes a very physics based approach, and looks a lot at things from a structural, engineering, and physics perspective. In many ways very scientific. You can really tell he ventures more into those ideas on his final sets, the open elbow and the defensive guard. He talks a lot more conceptually on those sets about the physics of how keeping an elbow open makes someone weaker, or how on defensive guard you should rely on your skeletal structure to keeps walls and frames between you and your opponent. He's good at knowing the critical aspects at every stage of a technique or sequence that are needed to make it work. I heard one of Marcelo's black belts say he's the best late stage defense guy they ever rolled with because he knows exactly how and to remove or prevent a successful ingredient at the last second.

What I don't think people talks about as much is that he really seems to be connected with the art part of martial arts as well. For example K. Florian, J. Glover, J. Rader, and F. Zahabi all say he's the most artisitc/creative grappler they know. He is very open minded and never limits himself into thinking within the confines of what grappling should be like, or look like. For example he will do things I don't see many people doing like using his feet to pin people's wrist to the mat to keep them stretched apart from knee on belly or other top positions.
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Most people wouldn't think to do that, but it fits in with the idea of keeping someone's elbow open and keeping them pinned. It's out of the box but he's open minded so whether it's that or something else, just because it looks strange or people might say it's not "high percentage" doesn't mean he's not willing to take the time to find out. I've noticed he's able to make a lot of things work that people say shouldn't work. He also was blending folkstyle wrestling ideas with jiu-jitsu ideas before it became fashionable.

Finally he seems to openly question authority and institutions. I remember when he said the conventional shrimp didn't work about 10 years ago and everyone was losing their shit. He went on to show a better shrimp and technical stand up on the defensive guard set and it made more sense once he showed it. But he's never been afraid to tell anyone or even everyone that they're wrong. Or if they're not wrong that they're at least not thinking about things in a way that they should. One thing he's said a lot is "Even if I can't prove it with my skillset yet, I'm believe that *insert idea here* is wrong or incomplete and there's a better way."

So TLDR: He's very scientifically minded. Very artistic. Very open to questioning long-standing institutions.
 
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Finally he seems to openly question authority and institutions. I remember when he said the conventional shrimp didn't work about 10 years ago and everyone was losing their shit. He went on to show a better shrimp and technical stand up on the defensive guard set and it made more sense once he showed it. But he's never been afraid to tell anyone or even everyone that they're wrong. Or if they're not wrong that they're at least not thinking about things in a way that they should. One thing he's said a lot is "Even if I can't prove it with my skillset yet, I'm believe that *insert idea here* is wrong or incomplete and there's a better way."

Is there a video of this? I heard of his version of the shrimp, but I haven't seen it yet.
 
ehh i wouldnt go that far not many bjj dvds were out when he started making his most were brazilians with thick accents and bad voice overs like marcelos at that time him and saulo were prob the best 2 guys producing dvds

I would guess that Ryan Hall DVDs where a lot more influential than the Danaher ones.
There was a lot less detail oriented instruction back in the day.
 
I would guess that Ryan Hall DVDs where a lot more influential than the Danaher ones.
There was a lot less detail oriented instruction back in the day.
Also they came out when pirating was way less common. People actually ordered those fucking things. Every school had nerds like most of us that would get instructionals but I remember especially with the back attacks one that even people that never paid for instructionals were ordering that one. There's no way to prove it but I think that's likely a top 3 BJJ instructional in terms of influence and impact. Also the whole thing of him becoming long-winded didn't happen until his later instructionals where they became more conceptual and there was more of a need to talk more. His early sets were very concise and right to the point.
Is there a video of this? I heard of his version of the shrimp, but I haven't seen it yet.
I don't think there are any free clips of it but it's on the beggining of the defensive guard set. he shows the shrimp, reverse shrimp, technical stand, granby, and a few other things in a much better way than is usually taught.
 
Was hoping to spark more discussion about his approach but an appreciation thread is OK too.

I mean, I think the silence says something. Nobody knows. I know on his DVD's and in the olden more vocal days he talked about how important wrestling was, but he still pulls bottom like an absolute madman. I can't recall him ever attempting a wrestling-esque takedown in MMA (though I could definitely be wrong here).

It seems like he really fell in love with the striking aspect and teachings of Than Le, but I see him on instagram taking a lot of pictures with Justin Rader (whose style I dearly miss, dude was amazing). He's either working on his wrasslin' for his next fight, or trying to find some kind of "counter" to wrasslin. Hard to say.

To draw parallels, I had a boxing coach who told me the fastest way to spoil a prospect was to show them a tricky position or technique. It would skyrocket them to mediocre, and then they'd just keep looking for a new "trick" instead of going back and learning the basics. When I saw Hall's striking style, I thought he's either blossoming into the beautiful young man he was always meant to be, or he's seeking out weird shit so he can trick opponents which will only work for so long. I think his next fight will be a good indicator of where his style is headed, one way or another.
 
I'm gonna maybe seem like I'm being contrarian here but I think there's a ton of unexplored material from 50/50. I base most of this on Ryan Hall who briefly considered making a gi 50/50 dvd a couple years ago because he has a gang of sweeps, passes, back attacks, subs, and other goodies from the position that he thinks are either not very well known or (if they are) then they aren't being explored or used very much. He said there's a ton of potential there for way more than stalling but we just aren't seeing it. I think his idea is that it's like an iceberg and we think we see the picture but there's a lot more underneath we don't see yet. He's one of the more creative minds for grappling I know of so I tend to believe him on that.

@mataleaos do you know / have experienced training with hall? because i think this is super interesting, at least to me, seems like ryan evolved the position far more than what he showed us on his first DVD
 
I WOULD go that far

He's fantastic. He's easier to listen to than Danaher but just as dense with information.
 
he says how he likes to break things down on his instructionals and I think it's indicative of how he thinks about things. I think he takes a very physics based approach, and looks a lot at things from a structural, engineering, and physics perspective. In many ways very scientific. You can really tell he ventures more into those ideas on his final sets, the open elbow and the defensive guard. He talks a lot more conceptually on those sets about the physics of how keeping an elbow open makes someone weaker, or how on defensive guard you should rely on your skeletal structure to keeps walls and frames between you and your opponent. He's good at knowing the critical aspects at every stage of a technique or sequence that are needed to make it work. I heard one of Marcelo's black belts say he's the best late stage defense guy they ever rolled with because he knows exactly how and to remove or prevent a successful ingredient at the last second.

What I don't think people talks about as much is that he really seems to be connected with the art part of martial arts as well. For example K. Florian, J. Glover, J. Rader, and F. Zahabi all say he's the most artisitc/creative grappler they know. He is very open minded and never limits himself into thinking within the confines of what grappling should be like, or look like. For example he will do things I don't see many people doing like using his feet to pin people's wrist to the mat to keep them stretched apart from knee on belly or other top positions.
2 images

Most people wouldn't think to do that, but it fits in with the idea of keeping someone's elbow open and keeping them pinned. It's out of the box but he's open minded so whether it's that or something else, just because it looks strange or people might say it's not "high percentage" doesn't mean he's not willing to take the time to find out. I've noticed he's able to make a lot of things work that people say shouldn't work. He also was blending folkstyle wrestling ideas with jiu-jitsu ideas before it became fashionable.

Finally he seems to openly question authority and institutions. I remember when he said the conventional shrimp didn't work about 10 years ago and everyone was losing their shit. He went on to show a better shrimp and technical stand up on the defensive guard set and it made more sense once he showed it. But he's never been afraid to tell anyone or even everyone that they're wrong. Or if they're not wrong that they're at least not thinking about things in a way that they should. One thing he's said a lot is "Even if I can't prove it with my skillset yet, I'm believe that *insert idea here* is wrong or incomplete and there's a better way."

So TLDR: He's very scientifically minded. Very artistic. Very open to questioning long-standing institutions.

Ryan Hall? Is this you???
 
I would guess that Ryan Hall DVDs where a lot more influential than the Danaher ones.
There was a lot less detail oriented instruction back in the day.

Yea for sure. His instructionals were also such a stark contrast to many of the others. I remember being like "I ain't trying to learn from some purple belt" but his material was amazing. Was one of the first times I began to realize that competitors were on a different grading scale.

We need to figure out a way to get him back into "mainstream" bjj community. I feel like his commenting would be amazing too. Pairing him up with Jeff Glover to commentate ADCC would be amazing. Make it happen Mo!
 
@mataleaos do you know / have experienced training with hall? because i think this is super interesting, at least to me, seems like ryan evolved the position far more than what he showed us on his first DVD
I've rolled with him about 10x give or take. I'd say he had evolved pretty much everything he's taught on his instructionals. I think it would be sweet if he did a revisit/update for each one but I doubt that would ever happen.

We need to figure out a way to get him back into "mainstream" bjj community. I feel like his commenting would be amazing too. Pairing him up with Jeff Glover to commentate ADCC would be amazing. Make it happen Mo!
Did you see that video he did with Shoyoroll earlier this year. I get the feeling he's not that into the BJJ scene anymore :(

Ryan Hall? Is this you???
Nope just tying together some things he said on his instructionals with a couple experiences and things I've heard some other good grapplers say about him.
 
lets put it this way.. his triangle dvd had such impact that a whole lot of people call the 90 degree triangle version as the ryangle, eventhough it has been done for decades that way. Thats how mind blowing was that dvd.
 
I would guess that Ryan Hall DVDs where a lot more influential than the Danaher ones.
There was a lot less detail oriented instruction back in the day.


not at all actually not many people watched dvds back then i was the first person in my state to even use de la riva and reverse de la riva around 2010 that shows
 
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