How does Lesnar vs Aspinall go?

[mkess101]

Of course, and I'm saying that Brock ate all but two of those shots and handled them fine. When you're all discombobulated from a brutal shot, one has a tendency to scramble. Brock isn't exactly unique in that regard. I don't see the whole generalized "bad response" to getting punched thing from Lesnar. He got rocked a couple of times and scrambled. It happens to the most seasoned fighters.

Ehh, truth probably somewhere in the middle. I think the other guy had a point in that Brock didn't get the sparring rounds other guys did because he just jumped into MMA late. For example Cain landed so many massive shots on JDS in the second fight that were worse than what he landed on Brock. And JDS just ate them. Brock went dancing then turtled. I think with a normal career arc that other guys get, Brock would've never had those issues. It was a familiarity thing.

 

[Tweak896]

Brock reacted about as poorly to being hit as is possible for a guy his size. At least from anyone that wasn't a 45 year old career LHW.
Could Brock win? I guess, but most likely the speed and power catch Brock's chin at some point early on and he turtles up and gets finished.

I mean again, Lesnar was never the same since his diverticulitis, he hesitated, he was compromised. That includes the Carwin fight. Who by the way was a tough guy to takedown, which Aspinall doesn't have the same background. Ubereem started firing off where Lesnar had issues. I think it's a little too simple to just say anyone could hit him and he becomes a turtle.

 

[HereticBD]

Ehh, truth probably somewhere in the middle. I think the other guy had a point in that Brock didn't get the sparring rounds other guys did because he just jumped into MMA late. For example Cain landed so many massive shots on JDS in the second fight that were worse than what he landed on Brock. And JDS just ate them. Brock went dancing then turtled. I think with a normal career arc thatodt guys get, Brock would've never had those issues. It was a familiarity thing.

I don't know if I would classify standing there like a zombie just eating haymakers, is a better or more intelligent reaction, than scrambling and covering up.

 

[mkess101]

I mean again, Lesnar was never the same since his diverticulitis, he hesitated, he was compromised. That includes the Carwin fight. Who by the way was a tough guy to takedown, which Aspinall doesn't have the same background. Ubereem started firing off where Lesnar had issues. I think it's a little too simple to just say anyone could hit him and he becomes a turtle.

I wouldn't say that either. I think he didn't react the best to being hit, but depending on who it was he was sometimes fine. (Randy hit him and Brock ate them). But let's not pretend Aspinall isn't a unique combination of speed and power too. He's not "anyone", he's a guy who's making everyone he lands on crumble and get finished.

 

[mkess101]

I don't know if I would classify standing there like a zombie just eating haymakers, is a better or more intelligent reaction, than scrambling and covering up.

But what you're describing was way later in the fight. JDS ate a shit ton where he still stood in the pocket throwing back. By the end he was doing what you're saying but he was getting tagged from the jump in that fight. Brock shelled up and quit after the first big punch from Cain landed.

 

[TheBulge]

I've yet to see Tom truly stop a good wrestler from grappling him. Blaydes could have been that test but he decided to let Tom do his usual game(Throwing 1-2's non-stop untill something lands).

 

[HereticBD]

But what you're describing was way later in the fight. JDS ate a shit ton where he still stood in the pocket throwing back. By the end he was doing what you're saying but he was getting tagged from the jump in that fight. Brock shelled up and quit after the first big punch from Cain landed.

I still think you have to look at it in a case by case basis. Brock's reaction isn't a Brock thing. We've seen countless seasoned fighters panic after being rocked all the same. For instance, Overeem has literally turned his back and run away from his opponent while on queer street, and he has quite a bit of experience getting punched and kicked in the head. We've also seen Brock react fine to hard punches that didn't scramble his brains.

 

[mkess101]

I still think you have to look at it in a case by case basis. Brock's reaction isn't a Brock thing. We've seen countless seasoned fighters panic after being rocked all the same. For instance, Overeem has literally turned his back and run away from his opponent while on queer street, and he has quite a bit of experience getting punched and kicked in the head. We've also seen Brock react fine to hard punches that didn't scramble his brains.

Perception could be some of it. I think the dichotomy is that Brock's chin looked to be sturdy and he didn't get put out ever but given his short career arc seemed to turtle and quit numerous times as soon as he got tagged. Had he just trusted his chin I don't think we'd even be discussing this.

 

[tasticles]

Depends which Lesnar, but if you combined all aspects of Lesnar at his peak then he crushes Tom. His striking defense evolved a lot by the time he fought Hunt, it was actually very similar to Khabib's. And his top game of course from the Mir 2 fight. Aspinall got mauled by a fighter 30 lbs lighter than him, so imagine against Brock who is 30 lbs heavier and an elite grappler.

Tom could definitely win but he has to hope for like a Jorge Masvidal vs Askren type KO or like how Bobby Green somehow KOd Grant Dawson early etc.

Evolved Brock only lost to Cain who is a nightmare matchup that has the elite wrestling to deal with him, and by the time he lost to Overeem he was a shell of himself.

It's funny how everyone will default to Tom but this is like thinking Conor would KO Khabib. I was the biggest Conor fan out there but deep down in knew he was fooked in that matchup.

There i thought i was the only one that thinks this heacily favors prime brock before the fall out.

 

[markg171]

It's hilarious people in this thread are bringing up Brock's losses/hard fights that were due to completely different styles than Tom Aspinall presents, mainly being having strong wrestling. You can't say it goes like Cain Velasquez when Tom doesn't have Cain's wrestling to get up from the 2 TDs Brock still got on a wrestler of Cain's caliber. Cain was able to beat Brock standing because he had the wrestling to make it standing.

Meanwhile the Tom fans will go absolutely ballistic if you mention that Stuart Austin was able to repeatedly take down, hold down, and sub Tom. Which is the actual style problem Brock presents here, and Brock's a hell of a lot better at that than Stuart Austin.

It's a 50/50 fight until Tom showcases he has the wrestling to stop Brock's TDs, the guard game to not get beaten or subbed there, and the scrambling to get back up.

 

[MigitAs]

Lesnar via F5

You know he stole that move from his wife who is 17 years older

 

[Limeade]

It's hilarious people in this thread are bringing up Brock's losses/hard fights that were due to completely different styles than Tom Aspinall presents, mainly being having strong wrestling. You can't say it goes like Cain Velasquez when Tom doesn't have Cain's wrestling to get up from the 2 TDs Brock still got on a wrestler of Cain's caliber. Cain was able to beat Brock standing because he had the wrestling to make it standing.

Meanwhile the Tom fans will go absolutely ballistic if you mention that Stuart Austin was able to repeatedly take down, hold down, and sub Tom. Which is the actual style problem Brock presents here, and Brock's a hell of a lot better at that than Stuart Austin.

It's a 50/50 fight until Tom showcases he has the wrestling to stop Brock's TDs, the guard game to not get beaten or subbed there, and the scrambling to get back up.

Lesnar has not shown he is still as good as when he fought Cain.

Tom has stand-up and footwork to stop today's Lesnar bull charge. He could also clinch and knee him to oblivion. No interest to see this fight.

The real question is could Lesnar beat Valtar Walker or would he too get heel hooked.

 

[markg171]

Lesnar has not shown he is still as glad as when he fought Cain.

Tom has stand-up and footwork to stop today's Lesnar bull charge. He could also clinch and knee him to oblivion. No interest to see this fight.

The real question is could Lesnar beat Valtar Walker or would he too get heel hooked.

Cain Velsquez can't stop Lesnar's takedowns, but Tom Aspinall would.

Okay pal.

 

[Portland8242]

Cain Velsquez can't stop Lesnar's takedowns, but Tom Aspinall would.

Okay pal.

It was actually the BJJ that Cain exposed on Brock. When Brock got him down he immediately got flipped off cause he had no idea how to deal with butterfly hooks.

Aspinall being a lifelong BJJ guy could have easily exploited this as well and got back to his feet, and likely KO Brock very promptly after.

 

[FriskyRandy]

How?

Brock has DECIMATED far stronger HW's

Has he decimated far more skilled HW's?

Has a more skilled HW ever even existed?

 

[SuperAlly]

Some absolute panic wrestling for Jones/WWE fan girls in this thread

And let's not rewrite history and pretend Brock didnt react terribly to getting punched in the face

 

[SuperAlly]

There i thought i was the only one that thinks this heacily favors prime brock before the fall out.

Never go full Andrew golota

 

[markg171]

It was actually the BJJ that Cain exposed on Brock. When Brock got him down he immediately got flipped off cause he had no idea how to deal with butterfly hooks.

Aspinall being a lifelong BJJ guy could have easily exploited this as well and got back to his feet, and likely KO Brock very promptly after.

Aspinall now not only has greater than NCAA Div 1 Champion wrestling, but ALSO a butterfly guard he's never displayed.

Is there anything this man can't do

 

[SuperAlly]

Aspinall now not only has greater than NCAA Div 1 Champion wrestling, but ALSO a butterfly guard he's never displayed.

Is there anything this man can't do

Banging your wife clearly not on that list

 

[AndrewGolota48]

It's hilarious people in this thread are bringing up Brock's losses/hard fights that were due to completely different styles than Tom Aspinall presents, mainly being having strong wrestling. You can't say it goes like Cain Velasquez when Tom doesn't have Cain's wrestling to get up from the 2 TDs Brock still got on a wrestler of Cain's caliber. Cain was able to beat Brock standing because he had the wrestling to make it standing.

Meanwhile the Tom fans will go absolutely ballistic if you mention that Stuart Austin was able to repeatedly take down, hold down, and sub Tom. Which is the actual style problem Brock presents here, and Brock's a hell of a lot better at that than Stuart Austin.

It's a 50/50 fight until Tom showcases he has the wrestling to stop Brock's TDs, the guard game to not get beaten or subbed there, and the scrambling to get back up.

Austin was also 225 and Brock 285....