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[tastaylvr]

Not all terrorists are Jihadist.

But all Jihadists are terrorists.



Oh yes they can be terrorists.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the fact children are dying on both sides, but the simple fact is Hamas has control of the education system in Gaza, and they're educating children to be Jihadis.



And I severely doubt Hamas is enforcing an 18 year of age for actual recruitment into Hamas, or to be housed near a rocket site.

Not meaning to start an argument @Sinister, just pointing out children are very easily brainwashed and motivated to fulfill a goal.

Every single post you make has some emotional propaganda angle. The video below are people talking about the Nakba. This was before Hamas even existed.

You are telling me the below is not evil? You keep thinking only one side does evil things. These guys were mowing down kids just because they had their hands up. Rounded up people into cages and mowed them down like animals. What was the excuse then? What did they do? You seem to be living in this delusion that one side is good and one side is evil. They have both committed atrocities and continue to do so. Moral arguments are stupid in war when you have data to back up your points. I can find thousands of videos of Israeli's doing the same thing you posted but you will just ignore it.

The mother fuckers in the video don't even have an ounce of regret. They are happy smiling remembering their glory days where they slaughtered innocent people for no reason. Imagine laughing decades later that you rounded up kids into cages and gunned them down? Raped the women and children after killing the men. I can't remember the last time I saw a video of a veteran decades later who was smiling about the incidents he was in.

Nothing is more disgusting than someone who isn't even Israeli trying to spread emotional propaganda. Get a grip.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Every single post you make has some emotional propaganda angle. The d.

Emotional propaganda angle? More like I know Islamists very well and know how to make both logical and emotional arguments to make my points.

You are telling me the below is not evil? You keep thinking only one side does evil things. These guys were mowing down kids just because they had their hands up. Rounded up people into cages and mowed them down like animals. What was the excuse then? What did they do? You seem to be living in this delusion that one side is good and one side is evil. They have both committed atrocities and continue to do so. Moral arguments are stupid in war when you have data to back up your points. I can find thousands of videos of Israeli's doing the same thing you posted but you will just ignore it.

The mother fuckers in the video don't even have an ounce of regret. They are happy smiling remembering their glory days where they slaughtered innocent people for no reason. Imagine laughing decades later that you rounded up kids into cages and gunned them down? Raped the women and children after killing the men. I can't remember the last time I saw a video of a veteran decades later who was smiling about the incidents he was in.

Nothing is more disgusting than someone who isn't even Israeli trying to spread emotional propaganda. Get a grip.

Seriously? This is a counter-argument?
'One side isn't absolute good & the other side isn't absolute evil.'

And can we get verification for the subtitles being an accurate translation? Within 5 minutes I can make a video of Vladimir Putin with subtitles saying "I hate honosexuals, but I love 3 penises in my asshole."
In other words, you assume my info is directly Israeli propaganda while assuming that TicTok video is 100% truthful.

I never said Israel was the absolute good. I know of numerous mistakes they've made over the decades, and also there's never been an army that waged a perfect war. Civilian casualties are an eventuality.

But for terrorists, civilian casualties are the entire point. Just 17 days ago Israel received a very large reminder of that, and the rest of the world saw it via cellphone videos & GoPros the terrorists wore and broadcasted as they killed 1400 innocents, maimed 3000 more, and took 350 hostages.

And you are implying some video of old Israeli soldiers claiming to have killed Palestinian children decades ago justifies that, or the pathetic & cliche saying 'both sides has innocent blood on their hands?'

Please spare us.

And if Hamas was supposedly avenging the murders of Palestinian children, why are they not targeting the IDF but specifically targeting innocent men, women, and children?

If Hamas is so outraged by the deaths of Palestinians children, why do they have bases, store munitions, and launch rockets from elementary schools?

Ya'd think the IDF would want any excuse to bomb Palestinian children, killing them by the dozens, and Hamas are force-feeding them excuses to bomb children.

 

[Sinister]

I know what you mean, and you know what I mean.

As soon as you read this sentence the 'Lord of War' Child Soldiers scene will play in your head.





Let me guess. You watched that very biased John Oliver segment over the weekend?

I came up in the 80's and 90's at the height of Satanic Panic. Oliver's "very biased" segment was nothing new. Homeschooled kids have always been antisocial and ideological.

I mean if we're going to criticize fundamentalist zealots who indoctrinate children to be indifferent towards the lives of others, let's not limit that to Muslims because that's your preferred position. Evangelicals are Zionists as well who have donated tons of money to Israel through US Church organizations...because they believe once all of the Arabs are eradicated Jesus is going to return.

Apocalypse cults gonna apocalypse cult.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I came up in the 80's and 90's at the height of Satanic Panic. Oliver's "very biased" segment was nothing new. Homeschooled kids have always been antisocial and ideological.

I mean if we're going to criticize fundamentalist zealots who indoctrinate children to be indifferent towards the lives of others, let's not limit that to Muslims because that's your preferred position. Evangelicals are Zionists as well who have donated tons of money to Israel through US Church organizations...because they believe once all of the Arabs are eradicated Jesus is going to return.

Apocalypse cults gonna apocalypse cult.

Since this is a side-topic from the main discussion of the thread, do you have a better argument than 'Since Christians like homeschooling that means homeschooling is bad?'

Because the comparative numbers of test scores between homeschooled kids VS public school kids... isn't comparable.

Who knew that loving parents typically educate their own children better than teachers that don't give a shit? With principles that don't give a shit? With district administrators that don't give a shit?.... while getting paid hundreds of thousands for working 9 months of the year with tens of thousands of kids that are completely undereducated?

https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/10/...ions-for-math-in-23-baltimore-schools-report/

Should I bring up the teachers unions, and what a cancer they've been to public education while gouging it of resources?

How about the thousands of children being sexually assaulted & raped by teachers every year?

How about the indoctrination of kids into transgender-ideology? Sexual education material on the verge of being pornography? And in general teachers are instructed to teach lessons against their parents values?

Also, public education has never inspired free-thinking individuals, its pure social engineering by what they teach, how they teach, what they don't teach, and if they're incapable of teaching. (Like in Baltimore)

In short, public education that is like every other government program - a failure in its stated goals - but a complete success in the goals of the elites : to program citizen drones.

But those damn Christians want to educate their own kids!

 

[GearSolidMetal]

@Sinister

How fucking stupid are some Americans?



And we easily spend more per student than most of the rest of the world combined in public education.... do I need to bother to look up American students test scores on reading levels, math, and science and see where we rank amongst the rest of the world?

In other words, America's intelligence levels have been rightfully mocked for years... but don't dare view that as a reflection of the quality of public school education.



And don't suggest homeschooling is a quality alternative choice for parents to educate their own kids with what to teach them, how to teach them, and what NOT to teach them.


Edit - One last thing. Was John Oliver's entire segment about homeschooling contain any decent points besides, or did I basically beat his best arguments without even watching his show?

Because his arguments are just so painfully transparent, but sound convincing with his audience full of claughter, that I can mostly predict what he said by hearing "John Oliver did an entire show on homeschooling" and without even watching his show.

I'm curious if I missed any small bits that may have sounded good within his echo chambers, but are laughably bad points after they've been bitchslapped by reality.

 

[MicroBrew]

There is no doubt that Israel gobbled up land and through force. How is that different from America, Europe and all of the world? All land is conquered and occupied. That's how the world works. Some societies and nationalities just last longer than others but eventually, they are usurped.

I'm absolutely not saying what Israel has done is right but you can't single them out when the entire world has done the same thing. The same people screaming about occupation are doing from occupied lands. There's just been enough time where it feels like we own it.

Along with this line of argument one can argue against criticizing slavery, the Holocaust, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Colonialism etc.. If Israel gets a pass because others too have colonized through force then everyone everytime should get a pass for genocides and conquest. Why single out Al Qaeda or ISIS or the Taleban or the CCP.

 

[MicroBrew]

Usually countries with persecuted "natives" don't have two thousand year old mosaics depicting not the "indigenous" Palestinians but instead the "colonising" Jews.

Synagogue of Huqoq mosaic, Galilee.

You are implying the Palestinians are not native, but where is the proof they aren't ? There is no evidence Palestinians came from outside the area. Israeli leaders in the past believed Palestinians to a great extent are Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Along with this line of argument one can argue against criticizing slavery, the Holocaust, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Colonialism etc.. If Israel gets a pass because others too have colonized through force then everyone everytime should get a pass for genocides and conquest. Why single out Al Qaeda or ISIS or the Taleban or the CCP.

I'd say it's closest to the USA but this one is pretty unique. It would be like if Native Americans spread out through the world for hundreds of years and then decided to come back. Then more and more just kept coming in until they outnumbered the current occupants. I'll argue how they did it all day long and how they treat the Palestinians but other than that, it's simply a new population taking over an area.

It's like Dearborn, Michigan. There are so many Muslims in that area that they've taken over the city and are now in control of the government. That's what happens when a new population outnumbers the old. That's how the entire world operates.

 

[tastaylvr]

I'd say it's closest to the USA but this one is pretty unique. It would be like if Native Americans spread out through the world for hundreds of years and then decided to come back. Then more and more just kept coming in until they outnumbered the current occupants. I'll argue how they did it all day long and how they treat the Palestinians but other than that, it's simply a new population taking over an area.

Don't forget with the help of the world's superpowers because they didn't want to keep them living in Europe after trying to wipe them out.

It still baffles me that Great Britain and Europe as a whole gets a pass in this scenario. They are the main reason for this situation. Imagine the Jews escaping persecution and the other European countries didn't want to accept them in after trying to kill them. They then ship them all to the middle east just so they can get rid of them. Great Britain then made two promises they couldn't keep to each party then just said fuck it and flipped the whole table.

Europe didn't want them dead but they also didn't want them to live in their countries so they just shipped them all to another country where they can kill each other.

People want to shit on all the Arabs for not having many Jewish people in their countries but what about all the Jews in Europe? What about the zero Jews in Eastern Europe? Europe had close to 10 million Jews in 1939 but has around 1 million now. Just lmao.