How do Royal Marines compare to US Marines?

Canada23 said:
That's a great point.



Sorry. If it makes you feel better I know my countries military doesn't compare to the US for sure... and probably not the UK either
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We hold our own plus we make a lot more lol

Canada
 
Who gives a fuck? I'll never understand these armchair *********s arguing about whose military is tougher as if it has anything to do with them whatsoever...
 
Bukowski82 said:
We shall settle this matter over beers when you're in Seattle, Good Sir!
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So long as there is no volleyball, you're on!

Because US Army Pilots:
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US Air Force Pilots:
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US Navy Pilots:
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When I was in marine corps ocs we had a British marine as one of our physical training instructors. Color sgt Richards. He was a bad motherfucker. His accent added a lot to it. He'd call us "lads" n shit. He was awesome.
 
vcmmafan said:
So your dad was a Marine? That sure doesn't sound like any Marine I know. I hang out with active Marines at least twice a week.

"Because my dad told me and my brother in the British Military we're better" isn't a good argument.
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The guy clearly stated he was just giving his opinion based on past observations, and did so in a completely polite manner. Why you gotta get so rustled? Let me guess, you're an ex-marine.
 
There is a video comparing the both the Royal Marines and US Marines boot camp, but I can't post it because of nudity, but basically, Royal Marine boot is a joke compared to US Marine boot. The Royal are all super civil and "tea and crumpety" while the US is super brutal, hardcore, and badass as hell.
 
My pog unit outran a unit of royal marines and beat the fuck out of them in friendly sparring matches but they may have been drunk for both. So there's that.
 
vcmmafan said:
It really is no contest. The US military has such a clear dominance on military technology, education, and capabilities it's not even funny.

The US is responsible for 41% of global military expenditures. That's right the US is responsible for almost half of the world's military expenditures. The U.S. spends more on defense than the next seven countries combined... $620 BILLION.

The US has the second largest active military in the world after China. This is complemented by the US's air and naval forces. Speaking of which:

The US Navy has the SECOND largest Air Force in the world. First is the US Air Force. To build on this point the US has air supremacy in every situation. Due to the locations of our carriers and air bases around the world we are able to scramble fighters almost anywhere in the world within an hour.

The US has the most aircraft carriers in the world BY FAR at 10. Second place is Italy with 2. The US has as many carriers in service as the rest of the world. Think of each one as a mobile air force base. These are all Nimitz-class carriers, meaning they are a class of super-carriers that can hold about 90 planes each, travel at around 30 knots, and house 2 nuclear reactors for propulsion. These motherfuckers can go over 20 years without refueling! That means the US has 10 mobile air force bases that essentially never rests. The US is the undisputed Queen Bitch of the seas.

And that's only the carriers. Globally, there are 28 Cruisers and 150 Destroyers. The US owns 22 of those Cruisers and 62 of those Destroyers.

The US has the biggest air force, bar none. Technologically, the Russians have come out with an almost equivalent air fighter but the US has a much larger air force and the logistical capability to fight anywhere efficiently.

As if all these conventional weapons aren't enough, the US's nuclear capabilities are mind-boggling. Everyone knows the US and Russia generally have the same amount of nuclear weapons (around 5,000) but the US's delivery systems are unparalleled. The US holds 71 of 134 total nuclear powered submarines in the world.

Out of these 71, 18 are Ohio-class. These are capable of holding 24 Trident SLBM missiles that each hold up to 8 MIRV (multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle) nuclear warheads. Each of these MIRV warheads hold a firepower of 100 kilotons of TNT. That means each of these subs could hold 24 missiles that can each separate into 8 nuclear warheads, totaling 192 warheads, each with a range of 4,600 miles. That means a sub off of NYC could hit Anchorage. You read that right. We essentially have 18 mobile nuclear launch bases that can move underwater.

Say there is knowledge of an impending nuclear attack by, say, North Korea. Suppose that US satellites saw North Koreans fueling the missiles and that they were going to launch a warhead. Before they were even done fueling, I am sure the US would have a few subs in the area and be capable of independently targeting each major city and military site in North Korea and nuking them. If they wanted to.

TLDR The US is Queen Bitch of the world. Militarily.
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Geeze O.O

The USA should use that money for education. But damn... They must have the biggest special forces budget then for training and whatnot.
 
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Apparently, MARSOC just renamed their units as "Raiders".

The Raiders were the precursors to Force Recon in WWII.

http://news.yahoo.com/rangers-seals...038.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fb

So just a quick history lesson for you folks. The Raiders were formed to be a "commando" style unit to help battle Japanese forces in WWII. Later on, they would be known as Recon. It's kind of like how the UDT's were the forefathers of SEALS. Anyway, in early 2000's, MARSOC was formed to operate under the SOCOM to help consolidate power and communication between the Marines and other special forces groups. When first formed, the majority of participants were from Recon. Now, MARSOC is changing its name to Raiders for what seems like PR reasons. It's taken 70 years, but they've gone full circle.
 
mooshy said:
When I was in marine corps ocs we had a British marine as one of our physical training instructors. Color sgt Richards. He was a bad motherfucker. His accent added a lot to it. He'd call us "lads" n shit. He was awesome.
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Met quite a few Royal Marines when I was in the Corps and since I've been out and I've always thought the same. I also knew a couple of US Marines that were stationed in Afghanistan with a RM unit in a combat role and had nothing but good things to say. Yeah some of the tactics and training are different, and we have different priorities, but everyone comparing RM to the National Guard and whatnot is laughable.
 
Snakesolidsnake said:
Met quite a few Royal Marines when I was in the Corps and since I've been out and I've always thought the same. I also knew a couple of US Marines that were stationed in Afghanistan with a RM unit in a combat role and had nothing but good things to say. Yeah some of the tactics and training are different, and we have different priorities, but everyone comparing RM to the National Guard and whatnot is laughable.
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Did someone actually compare them to the National Guard? They're just a reserve unit...a silly thing to say.

Would you say they were better than our infantry? All I argued was that our non POG Marines are atleast just as good. Also that the Marine Raiders are better...
 
KILL KILL said:
Apparently, MARSOC just renamed their units as "Raiders".

The Raiders were the precursors to Force Recon in WWII.

http://news.yahoo.com/rangers-seals...038.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fb

So just a quick history lesson for you folks. The Raiders were formed to be a "commando" style unit to help battle Japanese forces in WWII. Later on, they would be known as Recon. It's kind of like how the UDT's were the forefathers of SEALS. Anyway, in early 2000's, MARSOC was formed to operate under the SOCOM to help consolidate power and communication between the Marines and other special forces groups. When first formed, the majority of participants were from Recon. Now, MARSOC is changing its name to Raiders for what seems like PR reasons. It's taken 70 years, but they've gone full circle.
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Is this going to be a "new" unit alongside Force Recon, or are they replacing them and Force Recon is transitioning to become Raiders? Is Force Recon dead?

It terms of just the namesake, "Recon" or "Marine Force Recon" or "Recon Marine" sounds better to me than "Marine Raider."
 
KILL KILL said:
Apparently, MARSOC just renamed their units as "Raiders".

The Raiders were the precursors to Force Recon in WWII.

http://news.yahoo.com/rangers-seals...038.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fb

So just a quick history lesson for you folks. The Raiders were formed to be a "commando" style unit to help battle Japanese forces in WWII. Later on, they would be known as Recon. It's kind of like how the UDT's were the forefathers of SEALS. Anyway, in early 2000's, MARSOC was formed to operate under the SOCOM to help consolidate power and communication between the Marines and other special forces groups. When first formed, the majority of participants were from Recon. Now, MARSOC is changing its name to Raiders for what seems like PR reasons. It's taken 70 years, but they've gone full circle.
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lol, the Raiders. MARSOC is like the kid that gets to College, makes up a nickname for himself and insists everyone call him by it. And yes, I understand the genesis of it.

It's still awkward.
 
Adamant said:
Is this going to be a "new" unit alongside Force Recon, or are they replacing them and Force Recon is transitioning to become Raiders? Is Force Recon dead?

It terms of just the namesake, "Recon" or "Marine Force Recon" or "Recon Marine" sounds better to me than "Marine Raider."
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They had Recon and MARSOC. MARSOC takes orders from special operations command (SOCOM). As of today, MARSOC will now be Marine Raiders. There is still a very small element of Recon, but they aren't nearly the size they used to be.

I did see a cool Memorial Day video from Recon. They held the "Recon Challenge" to celebrate the holiday. Recon guys break into two man teams and compete in a 30 mile run (with pack) while intermittently having to overcome obstacles and shooting challenges along the way.

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They're overlooked, but apparently, they're still alive and kicking.
 
haha I just found this video...They're intentionally giving themselves hypothermia

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KILL KILL said:
They had Recon and MARSOC. MARSOC takes orders from special operations command (SOCOM). As of today, MARSOC will now be Marine Raiders. There is still a very small element of Recon, but they aren't nearly the size they used to be.

I did see a cool Memorial Day video from Recon. They held the "Recon Challenge" to celebrate the holiday. Recon guys break into two man teams and compete in a 30 mile run (with pack) while intermittently having to overcome obstacles and shooting challenges along the way.

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They're overlooked, but apparently, they're still alive and kicking.
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So MARSOC is gone and will now be called "Marine Raiders," and Recon works under the umbrella of the Marine Raiders? Meh. I think I prefer "MARSOC" to "Raiders."

I'll check out the vid. Looks cool.

I know we briefly touched on this before, but how come it seems like the Force Recon has been cut down to nothing while most of the other teams thrive? (Rangers, Green Berets, PJs, CCT...)
 
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Adamant said:
So MARSOC is gone and will now be called "Marine Raiders," and Recon works under the umbrella of the Marine Raiders? Meh. I think I prefer "MARSOC" to "Raiders."

I'll check out the vid. Looks cool.

I know we briefly touched on this before, but how come the Force Recon has been cut down to nothing while most of the other teams thrive? (Rangers, Green Berets, PJs, CCT...)
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Up until the formation of MARSOC, the Marines never had a unit that was technically considered spec ops. In order to be spec ops, you have to operate under SOCOM. The Marines felt that there was no need to create a spec ops unit because they considered their entire organization to be elite already.

However, when the war in Iraq kicked off, the Marines worked with other spec ops groups like SEALS, Rangers, PJ's etc and there were a lot of issues because;

A. They didn't operate under the same command. Spec ops groups take order from Socom while Marines take orders from their leadership. This creates a situation where there are too many chiefs and not enough indians.

B. It made communication much more difficult because intel, etc would have to go to both SOCOM and Marine leadership, then they would have to come together and formulate a plan.

So, they took a bunch of Recon Marines and transitioned them to be MARSOC. The two entities are completely independent of each other as they operate under a completely different command.

Obviously, MARSOC decided to change their name to Marine Raiders for PR reasons. Everyone knows SEALS, Rangers, Deltas, PJ's, etc but not many have ever heard of MARSOC. I think they're trying to get more people interested for recruiting purposes so they gave them a "cool" name.
 
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