International How do 'Muricans cope with the binary contradiction of supposedly supporting freedom in Ukraine yet doing the same thing to Venezuela?

I guess the world is evil and it's not worth being in the geo politics buble. Rather do something meaningless and just live. Politics is depressing. Good I'm from Bosnia / Croatia. We aren't that important to be invaded or anything else. We just gotta be nice with our neighbours.

Wait what? I've met dozens of refugees from that area due to wars and invasions. I train a whole Family of them right now. Didnt Serbia decide that the Muslims there didnt need to exist anymore? Isnt that why many of the ones here I've met speak Serbo-Croatian?

I'm not trying to be a d*ck I'm being serious, didnt your region have a buttload of Historical turmoil?
 
WTF

Chavez took power in 1999. Venezuela's GDP in 1998: $91 billion

Venezuela's GDP in 2013 (when Chavez died): $258 billion


Maduro was an astounding idiot but Chavez was solid. People forget that he was democratically elected twice and enjoyed tremendous popularity while in power.

Pretty incredible how the narrative that "Venezuela was great and super rich before Chavez!" is pretty much gospel in the West. Yeah, Venezuelans were so happy with their economy that they elected a dude openly ranting and raving against the oligarchy and about revolution and all this other socialist rhetoric.

Either they won't admit that the Venezuelan economy collapsed after the trade embargoes took effect, or they will and they'll blame Chavez/Maduro for the actions of the most powerful Nation on this planet the same way the bully always blamed the wimp for forcing the bully to beat him up by not just willingly giving him his tots:

 


The absolute state of the right wing gift in Murica...

They can't even remember what their own values are.
 
Wait what? I've met dozens of refugees from that area due to wars and invasions. I train a whole Family of them right now. Didnt Serbia decide that the Muslims there didnt need to exist anymore? Isnt that why many of the ones here I've met speak Serbo-Croatian?

I'm not trying to be a d*ck I'm being serious, didnt your region have a buttload of Historical turmoil?
I made all the decision. Yeah it was tumultuos. But from the inside. Theories say it was influenced heavily also from the outside. 2026 me Woozy fail guy what's that one guy called forgot his name lsa's bf, Slobodan and the rest of the gang are all over it. War is boring let us live. Point is noone wants to take our teritory. Just we "jugos" haven't agreed on who gets what. It's just Kosovo and Republika Srpska which is a mostly Serbian part of Bosnia. Kosovo is gone but Serbia doesn't accept it.

I was in Germany during the war.
 
If you look at Bosnia you got Muslims, Serbs and Croatians. Montenegro got I don't know what they are small, but they got Montenegrins, Serbs, Muslims, a but Croatians and Albanians too. Serbia are Serbs with a tiny bit muslims south Sandžak and perhaps some Romiana Vlasi and some Gypsies. Croatia are Croatians with a bit mix and a lot of tourists. Now also workers from Nepal, Philipines and India. For some reason everyone in Europe neeeds "multiculturality" besides Poland. Perhaps for Econony. Croatians go west and then workforce is needed. And they are making Europe go mutlicultural for whatever consipracy or non conspiracy reason. Macedonia had no beef just 2-3 years war with their Albanian population as they got about 1/3 Albos. Perhaps Bulgaria claims Macedonians are confused Bulgarians. Slovenia is doing fine, they are up west north. Kosovo us now independent owned by Albanians but not accepted by everyond globaly. That's it right. In the Balkans there is also Greece and Albania. Greece is chilling. Albania is probably chilling too. Bulgaria is there; they're getting the Euro officially so coruption will be harder to pull off and they will complain about new prices.
Hot areas are Kosovo and Bosnia. In Bosnia there is the Serbian Reupublic aka some are maybe 35% - 40% which is mostly Serbian populated though pretty much everywhere is mixed. They could cause a war wanting to anex to Serbia and combine the teritories. I'm south west my part is a small Croatian area. We fought over it to be part of Croatia, didn't work. Now I don't think people care for it to be some war. We got Croatian passports and Croatia is 10 minutes away. Nobody muslim died localy during war times (in my city). Not one person. They got sent off to Sweden and Croatia as precautionary measure. The small area is maybe +90% Croatian and -10% muslim. But you only need to drive for an hour or so to get to majority muslim or serbian areas. I don't give a fuck anyways. Just talking for you. We all speak the same language and look the same. Religion = nationality. Catholic = Croatian. Orthodox = Serb. Muslim = Bosnian. Same for political affiliation. Serbs + Russia. Croatia + Europe sort of. Bosnian Muslim + Turkey though also Europe. I mean Serbs are also in the west in Germany, Austria. But they do hang onto the Russian brothership. Bosnians definitely love Turkey. Bosnia and Islam here is a result of 500 years Ottoman (West Asia) rule.
Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo used to be one country called Yugoslavia. My parents were born in it. It still existed when I was born. I happened to take my first breath in Germany though.
Yugoslavia
Jug - South
Slavia - Slavic Land so to say
The president was Tito Broz. Hence Tito Ortiz name is impressive to me.
Basically it fell apart something people claimed Serbs wanted to be too much favored and they didn't agree with the rest leaving so wars broke out. First a bit with Slovenia. Just a bit. Then a shitload of war Croatia vs Serbia. Serbia vs Bosnia. Macedonia git off easy. Montenegro was always with Serbia. Very last to leave. Kosovo and Serbia also had war over it. Serbia says it is their historical land. They fought the Albanians untill the USA helped them by bombing.


History of my beautiful area

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Different types of Balkanites wanting to have ALL the marbles.

Genetically and ligusitically, culturally

Croatian Serbs Bosnians Montenegro = same language. Montenegro got the funny accent though.
Slovenia - they are the posh brother being next to Austria Switzerland. Theur language is different.
Macedonia - to me they sound Bulgarian and feel like cousins and not Yugo core.
Kosovo / Albanians - Ilyris are Roman Tribe. They are half like us cause they are little mixed with slavs and their language is unique. Kosovo and Macedonia Albanians often do speak the language *Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian
 
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Either they won't admit that the Venezuelan economy collapsed after the trade embargoes took effect, or they will and they'll blame Chavez/Maduro for the actions of the most powerful Nation on this planet the same way the bully always blamed the wimp for forcing the bully to beat him up by not just willingly giving him his tots:



It was definitely a combination of three things- the sanctions, the fall in oil prices, and Maduro's dumbshit incompetence/corruption.

The price per barrel hit its all-time peak in 2008, right around the time Venezuela's economy was at its all-time biggest. After that it did fall some... but not a ton.


The sanctions hit it hard and there was definitely going to be a drop off after that. But the true collapse came after Maduro's moronic administration.
 
It was definitely a combination of three things- the sanctions, the fall in oil prices, and Maduro's dumbshit incompetence/corruption.

The price per barrel hit its all-time peak in 2008, right around the time Venezuela's economy was at its all-time biggest. After that it did fall some... but not a ton.


The sanctions hit it hard and there was definitely going to be a drop off after that. But the true collapse came after Maduro's moronic administration.

That doesnt really get into the nuance of the oil price Wars, the timing of reductions in supply and Saudi Arabai driving down prices, nor the geopolitical influence of the oil cartels.

Every article I've EVER read on criticism of Chavez and Maduro are about "mismanagement of oil money"...and when you actually click on those articles and read them they're just criticism of the core concepts of socialism (while ignoring the impact of embargoes), and decrying that there wasbt enough capitalism. As if working class policies were essentially throwing away money. The articles come off as being written by US conservative Republicans telling you that you having health care is a waste of your own money.
 
Its not exactly the same, at all, in any way.

The war in Venezuela is about multiple things. First, Maduro was a criminal who was actively involved in shipping drugs to the US. The drugs were flown to government facilities where they would be set for transport to the US. The Venezuelan government was directly involved in smuggling drugs to the US.
That alone is justification for a war.
Then why is Trump pardoning drug kingpins?




Secondly, Trump wants stability in the region, and removing foreign threats that directly impact the American people is part of that. Given that, im certain Mexico will either have to agree to US help to fight the cartels or they'll be next. All sithole countries are put on notice, but Mexico is one of the biggest problems for the US, because of the border.
Why not pursue diplomacy to achieve the same goal? Dropping bombs and kidnapping leaders of sovereign nations for the sake of stability is like fucking for virginity.
Thirdly, oil. Trump knows that he can reimburse the cost of war plus extra through oil.
This is probably #1, imo.
 


No Kings No Kings No Kings. Useful idiots on the left off to a new slogan they don't understand
 
Nothing will ever elevate Russia. It's a shithole of a Mafia state, populated by drunks, rapists and thieves. The high point in it's worthless existence was being used as cannon-fodder by it's betters during the Second Great Unpleasantness. It was all downhill from there.

So on a scale of 1-10 how much is the US a 'mafia state'?
Kidnapping a world leader and 'taking control of their oil Industy' would seem to me more mafia than the actual mafia.

And this is actually fairly routine behaviour from the US it's just Trump is not even hiding it anymore behind a facade.

 
So on a scale of 1-10 how much is the US a 'mafia state'?
Kidnapping a world leader and 'taking control of their oil Industy' would seem to me more mafia than the actual mafia.

And this is actually fairly routine behaviour from the US it's just Trump is not even hiding it anymore behind a facade.



How many opponents of Trump have, "fallen out of a window"?

 
Then why is Trump pardoning drug kingpins?





Why not pursue diplomacy to achieve the same goal? Dropping bombs and kidnapping leaders of sovereign nations for the sake of stability is like fucking for virginity.

This is probably #1, imo.
I don't understand the pardoning of certain people. I would like more information about that, because it appears counter-intuitive to what he's trying to accomplish. When pressed about it, he's vague and says they were unfairly prosecuted, but doesn't really elaborate. My gut tells me there is more to this then we know. He's not just pardoning drug dealers for fun. Something is going on there that we don't understand. I wish he would get pressed on this and give a broader explanation.
 
I don't understand the pardoning of certain people. I would like more information about that, because it appears counter-intuitive to what he's trying to accomplish. When pressed about it, he's vague and says they were unfairly prosecuted, but doesn't really elaborate. My gut tells me there is more to this then we know. He's not just pardoning drug dealers for fun. Something is going on there that we don't understand. I wish he would get pressed on this and give a broader explanation.
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one. He’s doing it for personal gain of some sort. Nothing else makes sense.
 
How many opponents of Trump have, "fallen out of a window"?


You didn't answer the question, don't bitch out.


Rate Russia 1-10 as a mafia state, and the US on 1-10 as a mafia state.

Also, without Russia we have no modern chemistry or modern world so your characterization of them is off isn't it.
 
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You didn't answer the question, don't bitch out.


Rate Russia 1-10 as a mafia state, and the US on 1-10 as a mafia state.

Also, without Russia we have no modern chemistry or modern world so your characterization of them is off isn't it.

You're question is retarded, but I will humour you.

Russia: 10/10

America: 4/10
 
I guess the world is evil and it's not worth being in the geo politics buble. Rather do something meaningless and just live. Politics is depressing. Good I'm from Bosnia / Croatia. We aren't that important to be invaded or anything else. We just gotta be nice with our neighbours.

Bro.

The UN had to have an occupation force there for almost 4 years...
 
Russia: 10/10

America: 4/10
Right, and your justification for Russia as 10/10 vs 4/10 for the US is "Putin pushes political oponents outta windows". Thats way more mafia obviously bro, saw it on Good fellas afterall.
 
Right, and your justification for Russia as 10/10 vs 4/10 for the US is "Putin pushes political oponents outta windows". Thats way more mafia obviously bro, saw it on Good fellas afterall.

You've gone Full Walz.

Never go Full Walz.
 
What's wrong with admitting that the percentage of sociopaths in the US is much higher than the global average?
 
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