How did Last Jedi get such a high rotten tomatoes score?

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A work of art being viewed as being able to question or alter our views of an existing subject by examining parts of it being reffered to as deconstruction is a pretty common idea is it not? beyond the sematics I think you clearly know what I'm reffering to.

As I mentioned in the above post I think the very problem the film has is that its not effectively CONSTRUCTING Luke, were not presented with a character who has believable evolved from the enlighten hero at the end of the originals to the hubristic master it shows us being tempted to kill his own student. Instead the construction that takes place is rather an attempt to present Luke as simply never having been enlightened.

Of course I can claim its the films fault I don't like it, that's the very basis of any kind of critical analysis. To me this argument follows your typical tactics on this forum, when pushed you'll rarely look to back up an argument and instead move onto personal attacks.

Your argument is getting better, but you're wrong about personal attacks. Don't think taking things personally means you're being attacked. If you think that I'm somehow implying anyone's deficient for not-liking this movie -- that's also incorrect.

I've had my character assassinated over this nonsense plenty of times, and you don't have to trust me but what I'm doing is humoring you.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Your argument is getting better, but you're wrong about personal attacks. Don't think taking things personally means you're being attacked.

I've had my character assassinated over this nonsense plenty of times, and you don't have to trust me but what I'm doing is humoring you.

Its very obviously a personal attack, a claim that I'm unable to offer worthwhile analysis of the film followed in this case by another highly condescending post that sets yourself up as the judge of my arguments quality.

That other people might have used similar tactics against you does not justify using them as the basis of your argument, especially as you seem to be aiming at a higher level of analysis.

In reality my argument is being drawn into sematic and metaphysical strawmen away from actual substantive criticism of the film that it started off as, if you don't want to carry on with the latter then I see no point carrying on.

 

[minute bull]

Its very obviously a personal attack, a claim that I'm unable to offer worthwhile analysis of the film followed in this case by another highly condescending post that sets yourself up as the judge of my arguments quality.

Where did I say all that? I didn't say you're unable. It's just, like you said, a matter of semantics. And yes, I knew what you mean, and I responded to that before I got into "deconstruction."

I said it's up to you to enjoy things, but first I said it's not anyone's fault if you don't.

How is that an attack?

That other people might have used similar tactics against you does not justify using them as the basis of your argument, especially as you seem to be aiming at a higher level of analysis.

In reality my argument is being drawn into sematic and metaphysical strawmen away from actual substantive criticism of the film that it started off as, if you don't want to carry on with the latter then I see no point carrying on.

You've put the cart way ahead of the horse. You're the one who reduced me to a gif-loving attacker. I've given your character ZERO thought. It's just about this discussion, and if anyone's gotten personal it's you.

And yet -- still -- no gifs. No jokes. No circumlocutions (maybe). No tricks.

 

[HomerThompson]

The Last Jedi is a huge pile of shit.

Fuck Rian Johnson.

 

[Mike]

Your argument is getting better, but you're wrong about personal attacks. Don't think taking things personally means you're being attacked. If you think that I'm somehow implying anyone's deficient for not-liking this movie -- that's also incorrect.

I've had my character assassinated over this nonsense plenty of times, and you don't have to trust me but what I'm doing is humoring you.

I know you like to be a contrarian, but are you actually defending this objectively terrible movie?

 

[HomerThompson]

Listen to me, I have purple hair.

Muh space gas.

I love you too much, Finn. So, I'm going to attempt to kill us both, and doom the resistance at the same time.

I'm a sparkly fox!!!

I saw the good in fucking, Darth Vader, but not my teenage nephew.

Muh force projection. It killed me!

I don't need wisdom, or training, because reasons.

Fuck yo Jedi manuscripts.

Etc.

 

[minute bull]

I know you like to be a contrarian, but are you actually defending this objectively terrible movie?

Mike, honey, a movie doesn't need defending. You don't defend broccoli when you're trying to get someone to take it on as a nutritious part of their diet. You try to show them the way how to do it. And if they say, "I don't like broccoli because dogs shit in the ground," I'm going to say that's not a very good reason. Try something else.

Now here comes the airplane.....

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Where did I say all that? I didn't say you're unable. It's just, like you said, a matter of semantics. And yes, I knew what you mean, and I responded to that before I got into "deconstruction."

I said it's up to you to enjoy things, but first I said it's not anyone's fault if you don't.

How is that an attack?

I'd say "your projecting your own issues onto the film" is very obviously a personal attack calling into question my ability to be critical of the film rather than addressing the criticism, what's more obviously doing so in such a vague way as for there to be no real depth to it and no reasonable comeback.

You've put the cart way ahead of the horse. You're the one who reduced me to a gif-loving attacker. I've given your character ZERO thought. It's just about this discussion, and if anyone's gotten personal it's you.

I'm sorry but I'm not coming down your passive aggressive metaphysical rabbithole again, you seem to put great weight on this kind of posting but I see it as very clearly self serving. If actually analysing the specitics of this film is benieth you then I really question why you watch it in the first place.

Again if you want to address the more substantive points I made do so, if not then bye bye.

 

[HomerThompson]

You're not the best pilot in the resistance, and someone whom we trust with the toughest missions, you're just a hothead jerk because woman power!!!

 

[minute bull]

I'd say "your projecting your own issues onto the film" is very obviously a personal attack calling into question my ability to be critical of the film rather than aggressing the criticism, what's more obviously doing so in such a vague way as for there to be no real depth to it and no reasonable comeback.

Would it make any difference to say that it's not an affront to your ability, but rather a specific point being made about the nature of expectation. Your position was TLJ deconstructs a character in a way that addresses a point that isn't there, and I responded with "You're deconstructing TLJ addressing a point it isn't making."

It didn't extend beyond the principle of we all -- not just you but me too -- suffer from some form of confirmation bias. In order to counteract that we have to open ourselves to different POVS, but that's difficult if one invokes misused words, specious connections, and most of all irrelevant (but funny AF) gifs.

I'm sorry but I'm not coming down your passive aggressive metaphysical rabbithole again, you seem to put great weight on this kind of posting but I see it as very clearly self serving and lacking in depth. If actually analysing the specitics of this film is benieth you then I really question why you watch it in the first place.

If you're not going down the rabbithole again, then what do you call this? Needing to have the last word? Empty talk? We're here talking about how we're not talking? What are you telling me?

 

[HomerThompson]

Mike, honey, a movie doesn't need defending. You don't defend broccoli when you're trying to get someone to take it on as a nutritious part of their diet. You try to show them the way how to do it. And if they say, "I don't like broccoli because dogs shit in the ground," I'm going to say that's not a very good reason. Try something else.

Now here comes the airplane.....

Except that The Last Jedi is unhealthy, and idiotic.

 

[minute bull]

 

[Mike]

Mike, honey, a movie doesn't need defending. You don't defend broccoli when you're trying to get someone to take it on as a nutritious part of their diet. You try to show them the way how to do it. And if they say, "I don't like broccoli because dogs shit in the ground," I'm going to say that's not a very good reason. Try something else.

Now here comes the airplane.....

Um. Ok then.

 

[minute bull]

Hey anytime.

 

[Lovestorm]

I did try and give this horrendous shit show a second chance but it was still what it was(pure shit) in the end. I did very much enjoy The Force Awakens as well, but the worthless piece of shit they got to murder the follow up, hit a big nail in the Star Wars coffin and should never be let near a script again. Even if it's a kids play.

Rhian Johnson is pure shit and AIDS. He is an absolute steaming pile of fecal matter and jizz. He must be force fed at least seven dongs before he finally descends to hell. Absolutely fuck this guy. His gravestone should read "Choked to death on a long dong...ruined everything he touched and sucked."

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

lol


That kid is the opposite of a '5 head'

 

[minute bull]

I fucking hate those Jamie Foxx n_____as.

 

[Mike]

Hey anytime.

You ever consider dropping the faux Robin Williams schtick when people are trying to have a real conversation with you? Just curious.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Would it make any difference to say that it's not an affront to your ability, but rather a specific point being made about the nature of expectation. Your position was TLJ deconstructs a character in a way that addresses a point that isn't there, and I responded with "You're deconstructing TLJ addressing a point it isn't making."

It didn't extend beyond the principle of we all -- not just you but me too -- suffer from some form of confirmation bias. In order to counteract that we have to open ourselves to different POVS, but that's difficult if one invokes misused words, specious connections, and most of all irrelevant (but funny AF) gifs.

If you're not going down the rabbithole again, then what do you call this? Needing to have the last word? Empty talk? We're here talking about how we're not talking? What are you telling me?

If you want to start a debate on the nature of art criticism create another thread on that subject as it is I stand by my belief that its self serving passive aggression in this thread, a cover for the original personal attack.

Again I'v made many points that relate very directly to TLJ, if you want to reply to those then do so but I'm not going to carry on down this road, you can get the last word in on it if you want to.

As I said I don't think TLJ is without its merits, compared to TFA I did think elements of the Kylo/Rey story were much more ambitious which actually left me more disappointed when they IMHO went unfulfilled with Rey's total rejection of Kylo and there retreat into simplistic good/evil roles. Indeed I felt rather like "Mary Sue Strikes Back" in that the film wasn't willing to let Rey inhabit a more morally grey position and as I'v said before I wonder whether this wasn't the result of Disney influence rather than Johnson's own preference.

Both sequels to me seem to fall into the odd position of both pushing the new characters by belittling the older ones yet ultimately lack confidence in the former to really deliver effective drama. TFA really becomes Han's story more than anything and TLJ becomes Lukes with the problem being for me that the films don't put much effort into developing them but rather play off of attachment to the originals and recycling their character stories, wisdom is mysteriously unlearnt so it can be relearnt.

 

[minute bull]

You ever consider dropping the faux Robin Williams schtick when people are trying to have a real conversation with you? Just curious.

You know that I can. It's why you asked.

I don't need to kowtow in a movie thread because -- really -- what's the big deal? It's a movie. Plus a lot of dudes trying to conjure up a good-sounding paraphrase for "it wasn't cool enough."

Besides you weren't really having a real conversation. The term "objectively bad" is not a serious opinion. It's a snarky one. "Are you ACTUALLY defending this? I know you're a so-and-so and all -- Real Talk®."

Look at my past dealings with moreorless, who kept complaining about my gifs and shit. I took time to share his ideas like he asked me to and look where that's gotten me

So what I'm left to believe is I'm damned whether I talk how you'd prefer or not. Ergo, these complaints are not about me. And if it's not my seat -- it's not my problem.

To your credit, at least you ask when you're unclear about my wonky nonsense, rather than jump straight to a foregone conclusion. Thank you for that. Real Talk.

 

[Mike]

You know that I can. It's why you asked.

I don't need to kowtow in a movie thread because -- really -- what's the big deal? It's a movie. Plus a lot of dudes trying to conjure up a good-sounding paraphrase for "it wasn't cool enough."

Besides you weren't really having a real conversation. The term "objectively bad" is not a serious opinion. It's a snarky one. "Are you ACTUALLY defending this? I know you're a so-and-so and all -- Real Talk®."

Look at my past dealings with moreorless, who kept complaining about my gifs and shit. I took time to share his ideas like he asked me to and look where that's gotten me

So what I'm left to believe is I'm damned whether I talk how you'd prefer or not. Ergo, these complaints are not about me. And if it's not my seat -- it's not my problem.

To your credit, at least you ask when you're unclear about my wonky nonsense, rather than jump straight to a foregone conclusion. Thank you for that. Real Talk.

I don't know what issues you have going on with which posters. I just put 3 more people on ignore myself because I'm sick of their bullshit. I guess objectively bad is hyperbole but I REALLY hated this movie. Seems a lot of people did. Dunno if something is going on, but you seem uncharacteristically aggressive of late. It's cool if we disagree on stuff, most of us are just trying to have a conversation with you.



I disagree with people often here. Usually vehemently. That doesn't mean I don't respect them or think they're stupid for having a different pov or anything like that. Even if I think they're wrong. Anyway I'm just trying to talk to you I'm really not trying to be hostile at all.