How could they mess up Terminator series like that

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

It's done. Every movie after T2 was a cash grab, plain and simple. There is no more story to tell. Kind of like how Star Wars should have ended after RotJ. These universes aren't deep or particularly well filled out. Same goes with Robocop, the Predator movies, and every other legendary 80s/90s action movie series.

Also, the general movie goer nowadays is dumb. See how many people want more remakes and reboots instead of new stories? Fucking pathetic.

Actually Star Wars universe was, they just decided to ignore the massive expanded universe that already had plenty of stories and a following.

 

[Talkingtom]

Theres only 1 and 2. Rest are gas station chinese knock offs

 

[deviake]

Honestly, the story is over at the end of T2.

Why do you think Cameron himself never wrote a third.

Anything beyond 2 you could write was always going to be ineffective nonsense.

Fans dream of a third set in the future wasteland depicted in 1&2, but those scenes are so effective because they are just nightmarish glimpses of a future they cant allow to happen.

Theyre not meant to be fleshed out to a whole movie, itd be a boring, monotonous low budget scifi movie that wouldnt match the mindbending originals.

They could make a good sequel to T2, especially with what we meow know about AI. Also, the same applies to T1, as Kyle said Skynet was defeated and the humans destroyed the time machine after he went through so there was no need for T2. T1 is a self contained story, T2 shouldn't exist.

A sequel to T2 could take place in a future where we find out AI, some form of Skynet, was inevitably going to be developed, as is the case in real life (AI not Skynet ha) even without a Terminator chip. There's a lot of places to go from there. We could see the labor camps and even go the route of The Sarah Connor Chronicles where the humans start looking for or developing a counter AI with the help of a defecting Terminator. Imagine seeing the future holocaust and labor camps and the reluctant resistance fighters being told they have to work with and protect a machine (which is kept secret from them at first, really splitting ranks), and the lead up of the machine reluctantly needing humans to defeat Skynet.

I agree that those future scenes are effective for that reason, but a movie starting in that future could be equally or more powerful if done right.

 

[deviake]

I don’t think it is the same

I think the character of Apollo had depth to him and you could have made an entire series just about him

The characters of Newt and Hicks were purposely created in order for specific Ripley goals to be meant.

Instead of comparing them to Apollo, Id compare them to Clubber Lang. Lang only exists in order to beat Rocky and send Rocky on his redemption arc. You could not make a series of films based on Clubber Lang

Similarly, Hicks only exists to teach Ripley how to use a gun and Newt only exists to keep that balance of badass Ripley and mother Ripley.

Once Ripley becomes the character that we all know her to be it makes Newt and Hicks expendable.

Sure you could write more stories for them but the fundamental reasons for these characters existing was gone.

This is the best argument I've ever seen for killing off Hicks & Newt.

 

[DM1982]

They could make a good sequel to T2, especially with what we meow know about AI. Also, the same applies to T1, as Kyle s
aid Skynet was defeated and the humans destroyed the time machine after he went through so there was no need for T2. T1 is a self contained story, T2 shouldn't exist.

A sequel to T2 could take place in a future where we find out AI, some form of Skynet, was inevitably going to be developed, as is the case in real life (AI not Skynet ha) even without a Terminator chip. There's a lot of places to go from there. We could see the labor camps and even go the route of The Sarah Connor Chronicles where the humans start looking for or developing a counter AI with the help of a defecting Terminator. Imagine seeing the future holocaust and labor camps and the reluctant resistance fighters being told they have to work with and protect a machine (which is kept secret from them at first, really splitting ranks), and the lead up of the machine reluctantly needing humans to defeat Skynet.

I agree that those future scenes are effective for that reason, but a movie starting in that future could be equally or more powerful if done right.

Again, nice fan fiction there. Why dont you go away and write it yourself and send it in to a Terminator fanzine or something.

This series is Cameron's baby, he hasnt written a third (we're aware of), and he ended the saga with Sarah and John stopping Judgement day and the ability for Skynet to exist in the new timeline.

Move on

 

[ThulsaDooom]

Actually Star Wars universe was, they just decided to ignore the massive expanded universe that already had plenty of stories and a following.

Good call on that. I always forget the expanded universe stuff.

 

[deviake]

Again, nice fan fiction there. Why dont you go away and write it yourself and send it in to a Terminator fanzine or something.

This series is Cameron's baby, he hasnt written a third (we're aware of), and he ended the saga with Sarah and John stopping Judgement day and the ability for Skynet to exist in the new timeline.

Move on

There's nothing to move on from, I disagreed with

"Anything beyond 2 you could write was always going to be ineffective nonsense"

and explained why.

 

[DoomPatrol]

That was the best thing about Alien 3 bro. The sheer balls of killing off the love interest and the kid immediately and then dumping Ripley alone on a planet full of rapists. That's like some Dark Souls shit years and years before Dark Souls.

Besides Newt and Hicks were both lame characters anyway

I would agree with that if they had the balls to kill them on camera in the first few minutes of Alien 3. Happy scene everyone is doing alright and BAM both them bitches die horribly. That would set the tone way better than the filth that was Alien 3.

 

[minute bull]

This franchise is one of the best examples of sequels, specifically the question of How much can a sequel deviate from its predecessor before it becomes something else?

I think one of the bigger factors behind there being a roughly equal number of people who prefer the original to those who prefer the sequel is that both films are nearly identical in beats. Thus it essentially comes down to whether you're a fan of horror or a fan of action blockbusters. The first two EVIL DEAD movies are more conspicuous in this regard, and even the third one seeks to re-do/improve some of the beats from the first two.