How could they mess up Terminator series like that

[HARRISON_3]

They shoulda made one where Sarah Connor has to fuck all the different terminators.

 

[Fluffernutter]

James Cameron was pooed on for not singing the praises of Wonder Woman a couple of years ago.

He said "WTF, I got cred for Sarah Conner."

A strong female lead is not new. But, with the age of super hero movies, people forget.

So, the new terminator movie tried to combine the old formula with the new. Plus, a female character that could have come straight from the MCU.

Should have kept it as Sarah's story.

 

[tobiaswins]

That was the best thing about Alien 3 bro. The sheer balls of killing off the love interest and the kid immediately and then dumping Ripley alone on a planet full of rapists. That's like some Dark Souls shit years and years before Dark Souls.

Besides Newt and Hicks were both lame characters anyway

How dare you!!?

 

[BisexualMMA]

Difference is Hicks and Newts stories were over

They bring nothing to Alien 3

They certainly could have. It's kind of like saying Apollo's story was over after Rocky 3. Yeah it could have been if he died off screen, but instead he did meaningful stuff in the next movie before dying.

Mickey after Rocky 2. Everyone in Young Guns 2.

Their story is only over if you don't write one for them going forward.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

They certainly could have. It's kind of like saying Apollo's story was over after Rocky 3. Yeah it could have been if he died off screen, but instead he did meaningful stuff in the next movie before dying.

Mickey after Rocky 2. Everyone in Young Guns 2.

Their story is only over if you don't write one for them going forward.

I don’t think it is the same

I think the character of Apollo had depth to him and you could have made an entire series just about him

The characters of Newt and Hicks were purposely created in order for specific Ripley goals to be meant.

Instead of comparing them to Apollo, Id compare them to Clubber Lang. Lang only exists in order to beat Rocky and send Rocky on his redemption arc. You could not make a series of films based on Clubber Lang

Similarly, Hicks only exists to teach Ripley how to use a gun and Newt only exists to keep that balance of badass Ripley and mother Ripley.

Once Ripley becomes the character that we all know her to be it makes Newt and Hicks expendable.

Sure you could write more stories for them but the fundamental reasons for these characters existing was gone.

 

[Amerikuracana]

The downfall actually started with 2

Corny jokes
Kid actors
overuse of CGI

It was the first of the modern mega-blockbusters. It may have actually set things in a bad direction, but it was done very well.

 

[GtehMVP]

Difference is Hicks and Newts stories were over

They bring nothing to Alien 3

You should check out the comics that continue Hicks and Newt's story, they're fucking awesome. This guy does a great job narrating and adding sound effects.

I enjoyed Prometheus, as it expanded on the deep lore, but it needed a better ending, especially if they were going to follow up with such a shit show in Covenant.

I can't believe they killed Dr Shaw off screen, she was great, and a tasty littlle number

As for Terminator, I enjoyed Salvation I think (the one with Bale) I always wanted to see things after D-day. It was decent enough, certainly miles better than anything else after 1&2, but that's not a big feat.

Get woke go broke Hollywood, how many more hundreds of millions are they willing to lose?

 

[TheSlothMan]

I actually liked Dark Fate. The 'wokeness' of that movie has been grossly exaggerated by many people who probably haven't even seen it. The franchise should definitely go the way of the dodo though. They're never going to top the first 2.

I also really like Alien 3. It's certainly better than Ressurection, Prometheus, and Covenant. Yeah, killing off Newt and Hicks is a bit jarring, but I love the nihilistic tone of the movie. Signourney Weaver and Charles Dutton deliver great performances and the soundtrack is really good too. The Alien franchise needs to die too though, Prometheus and Covenant were horrible.

 

[ThulsaDooom]

It's done. Every movie after T2 was a cash grab, plain and simple. There is no more story to tell. Kind of like how Star Wars should have ended after RotJ. These universes aren't deep or particularly well filled out. Same goes with Robocop, the Predator movies, and every other legendary 80s/90s action movie series.

Also, the general movie goer nowadays is dumb. See how many people want more remakes and reboots instead of new stories? Fucking pathetic.

 

[JSN]

Imagine how stupid movies are going to be when Indian people start being able to afford going to real movies. Omg

 

[BisexualMMA]

Honestly, the story is over at the end of T2.

Why do you think Cameron himself never wrote a third.

Anything beyond 2 you could write was always going to be ineffective nonsense.

Fans dream of a third set in the future wasteland depicted in 1&2, but those scenes are so effective because they are just nightmarish glimpses of a future they cant allow to happen.

Theyre not meant to be fleshed out to a whole movie, itd be a boring, monotonous low budget scifi movie that wouldnt match the mindbending originals.

They'd have probably fucked it up but there were good Terminator movies to be made after T2. The future war could have been quite good, especially the horrors of the extermination camps and overcoming that situation.

It would have been a lot like...well, a lot like Aliens basically. The Terminators at the camps could have been like the xenomorphs at LV-426, and doing just as horrific things to the humans.

There would be no sci-fi "make you think stuff" like time travel and causality loops. But I think it's been demonstrated after three dog shit time travel Terminator sequels that it's not something that you should necessarily adhere to.

There was a good, visually interesting movie with a good story to be made re: the future war and the camps... But nobody wanted to make it. They just want to keep sending Arnold back every few years, and it has now been shit more times than it has been good.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Butchered beyond recognition.

I really loved the vibes of the first one. Action-horror. Myself and lots of people wanted Dark Fate to be horror again. But no.

Who knows, maybe they just cant do it anymore.

The problem isn't that they can't make films like the originals but that they just haven't even tried. The originals are films of an auteur director, yes there genre films but made by a skilled hand to be as good as they possible can be. All the sequels since then have been cash grabs, not driven by the directors but driven by the studios.

One of the cheapest ways to do this is IMHO to prey on geeks, basically make films that sell themselves on the "lore" of the franchise being extended. The originals weren't focused on that, they offered just enough detail to tell the story they wanted to tell.

All these franchises need the same thing, they need a skilled creative director who cares about them behind the camera. Its why Marvel have dominated since they actually do this with people like the Russo's and Gunn were as other franchises are full of hacks working to orders. No coindience that Rogue One was by far the best of the new SW films as it was made by a skilled director who actually cared about SW.

 

[DM1982]

They'd have probably fucked it up but there were good Terminator movies to be made after T2. The future war could have been quite good, especially the horrors of the extermination camps and overcoming that situation.

It would have been a lot like...well, a lot like Aliens basically. The Terminators at the camps could have been like the xenomorphs at LV-426, and doing just as horrific things to the humans.

There would be no sci-fi "make you think stuff" like time travel and causality loops. But I think it's been demonstrated after three dog shit time travel Terminator sequels that it's not something that you should necessarily adhere to.

There was a good, visually interesting movie with a good story to be made re: the future war and the camps... But nobody wanted to make it. They just want to keep sending Arnold back every few years, and it has now been shit more times than it has been good.

I think you're missing the point of the Terminator story/mythology; the future war/concentration camps/apocalyptic future all sound great, and the visions Cameron put up were stunning, but they're only meant to exist as glimpses into the future.

The point of the Terminator story is the killing machine sent back in time to kill a lone woman/child in present time.

What you're describing is fan fiction. So if you are so enthused about those future stories why dont you go ahead and write them.

Like I said, if there was a third story, Cameron wouldve written it himself.

He didn't so there isnt.

The end.

 

[loyalyolayal]

Hey Ripley, you know that girl you spent the whole goddamn 2nd movie saving? The one you put a Herculean effort into insuring her survival? Yeah, don't bother. We're going to kill her off pointlessly in the first 5 minutes of the sequel. You wasted your time.

Seriously, anyone who enjoyed the 3rd and 4th Alien has no right to complain about Terminator Dark Fate lol

Alien 3 suffered more studio interference than Event Horizon.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I think you're missing the point of the Terminator story/mythology; the future war/concentration camps/apocalyptic future all sound great, and the visions Cameron put up were stunning, but they're only meant to exist as glimpses into the future.

The point of the Terminator story is the killing machine sent back in time to kill a lone woman/child in present time.

What you're describing is fan fiction. So if you are so enthused about those future stories why dont you go ahead and write them.

Like I said, if there was a third story, Cameron wouldve written it himself.

He didn't so there isnt.

The end.

Well by that logic there is no Creed movie since Stallone didn't write it. There is no Aliens since O'Bannon didn't write it.

What a fun discussion.

 

[volodya]

Well by that logic there is no Creed movie since Stallone didn't write it. There is no Aliens since O'Bannon didn't write it.

What a fun discussion.

LOL @ how non woke you sound

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I think you're missing the point of the Terminator story/mythology; the future war/concentration camps/apocalyptic future all sound great, and the visions Cameron put up were stunning, but they're only meant to exist as glimpses into the future.

The point of the Terminator story is the killing machine sent back in time to kill a lone woman/child in present time.

What you're describing is fan fiction. So if you are so enthused about those future stories why dont you go ahead and write them.

Like I said, if there was a third story, Cameron wouldve written it himself.

He didn't so there isnt.

The end.

I'd say its a setup that could lead to good cinema though even if its cinema that would be very different to the previous films which I think you could argue had mined the concept enough that we didn't need more(at least at that point).

You can kind of see why the studios avoided that though, besides recycling being easier that's going to be a pretty dam grim story, a kind of sci fi holocaust/action film. I mean in the original the future stuff is grim enough as it is and I think a lot of what makes that work is that Reese is such damaged goods, competent but basically a child solider in love with a photograph.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

The first movie aged terrible but the second is still the goat

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

You liked Alien 3, which basically rendered the 2nd one pointless in the first 5 fucking minutes? Everything after the first two fuckin stinks

It pissed me off, but it was still a good Alien movie. Had they had a scarred Hicks and Newt in it, I’m sure people would have liked it far more and look at it currently as being a great trilogy. (3rd would still be the weakest though)
4 was good fun, but a bit too campy. I still like it though.

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

You should check out the comics that continue Hicks and Newt's story, they're fucking awesome. This guy does a great job narrating and adding sound effects.

I enjoyed Prometheus, as it expanded on the deep lore, but it needed a better ending, especially if they were going to follow up with such a shit show in Covenant.

I can't believe they killed Dr Shaw off screen, she was great, and a tasty littlle number

As for Terminator, I enjoyed Salvation I think (the one with Bale) I always wanted to see things after D-day. It was decent enough, certainly miles better than anything else after 1&2, but that's not a big feat.

Get woke go broke Hollywood, how many more hundreds of millions are they willing to lose?

Shaw didn’t look like (hey remember Ripley!) enough, so they killed her off offscreen.