How common are throws in Thailand

[Trabaho]

Throwing the fight




Is this very common, if you would gauge a percentage, 10-20% ?

Obviously there is a market to let wealthier foreigners win.

I hope you can see the clip on IG

 

[NoSmilez]

It depends. Sometimes they give up if they are already taking a beating. There is no health insurance. The first few fights are can fights then you move on to people who might have extensive experience but are too old or don't train. They match people up accordingly since there is betting. I also seen Thais sandbag in their fight. I saw some European champion get absolutely trounced by a 17 year old boy. The boy gave up the first two rounds then turned it up when the bets were on.

 

[SandisLL]

It depends. Sometimes they give up if they are already taking a beating. There is no health insurance. The first few fights are can fights then you move on to people who might have extensive experience but are too old or don't train. They match people up accordingly since there is betting. I also seen Thais sandbag in their fight. I saw some European champion get absolutely trounced by a 17 year old boy. The boy gave up the first two rounds then turned it up when the bets were on.

About what kind of european champions you had opinion? Euro KB isn't just PAK style stuff.
Aka in ams they too had different rule sets... including low kicks allowed.
Before this recent shit. .. guys from U.K, Ireland, Ukr, Russia too were common stuff in the same KB ams...
A lot of open cups allowed guys from U.S..boxing ams especially.

I might imagine how big fun for example might to get clinch with Oly level judoka cos someone had imagined that he automatically is bum just because he is from europe, despite european championships usually had larger talent pool than number of inhabitants in EU/ EEZ....

 

[NoSmilez]

About what kind of european champions you had opinion? Euro KB isn't just PAK style stuff.
Aka in ams they too had different rule sets... including low kicks allowed.
Before this recent shit. .. guys from U.K, Ireland, Ukr, Russia too were common stuff in the same KB ams...
A lot of open cups allowed guys from U.S..boxing ams especially.

I might imagine how big fun for example might to get clinch with Oly level judoka cos someone had imagined that he automatically is bum just because he is from europe, despite european championships usually had larger talent pool than number of inhabitants in EU/ EEZ....

That fellow ended up in the stadiums later in his career. In the past the level of competition overseas vs Thailand isn't as competitive. I am referring to Thai competitive weight classes. Thais are very small people. I would say anything under 135 is still considered highly competitive. They have some fighters at 136-160 but it is less competitive.

Personally I feel someone could not just go there and think they are going to run the Thais. The talent tool is so big out there and everyone is good. Even the guys with double digit losses are really good. You need to train there and get used to the scoring. Their clinching are also years ahead. I will admit the gap is closing or has been closed by some non Thai countries. Japan has gyms with Thai trainers and they even produced their own teenage stadium fighters that went through the circuit. Eiwa Sports gym from Japan is impressive. They produce small guys who fight like Thais in the clinch but they are also great combination fighters with low kicks. They are also well versed at catching and sweeping. My only knock on them is that their fighters seem very robotic but their reaction time is really good.

 

[SandisLL]

That fellow ended up in the stadiums later in his career. In the past the level of competition overseas vs Thailand isn't as competitive. I am referring to Thai competitive weight classes. Thais are very small people. I would say anything under 135 is still considered highly competitive. They have some fighters at 136-160 but it is less competitive.

Personally I feel someone could not just go there and think they are going to run the Thais. The talent tool is so big out there and everyone is good. Even the guys with double digit losses are really good. You need to train there and get used to the scoring. Their clinching are also years ahead. I will admit the gap is closing or has been closed by some non Thai countries. Japan has gyms with Thai trainers and they even produced their own teenage stadium fighters that went through the circuit. Eiwa Sports gym from Japan is impressive. They produce small guys who fight like Thais in the clinch but they are also great combination fighters with low kicks. They are also well versed at catching and sweeping. My only knock on them is that their fighters seem very robotic but their reaction time is really good.

Yes.
Europeans usually are larger size.
For weight 135 lbs and lower than this talent pool for adults divisions in asia is larger than in europe. ...also for Judo... boxing too does have the same trend.

For larger guys europe even had not low number of good am Kbers, am MT guys who in pros had switched to pro boxing.... cos money.
KB isn't well paid in europe....
Some even had switched to high level am boxing from high level am KB... aka Povetkin etc.

 

[NoSmilez]

Yes.
Europeans usually are larger size.
For weight 135 lbs and lower than this talent pool for adults divisions in asia is larger than in europe. ...also for Judo... boxing too does have the same trend.

For larger guys europe even had not low number of good am Kbers, am MT guys who in pros had switched to pro boxing.... cos money.
KB isn't well paid in europe....
Some even had switched to high level am boxing from high level am KB... aka Povetkin etc.

For larger guys they shouldn't try to even compete in Thailand. It is just a waste of time. There is no competition there. I think anything heavier than 160 shouldn't go there. They have people over 160 but it's probably across the border or against another foreigner.

 

[Trabaho]

That fellow ended up in the stadiums later in his career. In the past the level of competition overseas vs Thailand isn't as competitive. I am referring to Thai competitive weight classes. Thais are very small people. I would say anything under 135 is still considered highly competitive. They have some fighters at 136-160 but it is less competitive.

Personally I feel someone could not just go there and think they are going to run the Thais. The talent tool is so big out there and everyone is good. Even the guys with double digit losses are really good. You need to train there and get used to the scoring. Their clinching are also years ahead. I will admit the gap is closing or has been closed by some non Thai countries. Japan has gyms with Thai trainers and they even produced their own teenage stadium fighters that went through the circuit. Eiwa Sports gym from Japan is impressive. They produce small guys who fight like Thais in the clinch but they are also great combination fighters with low kicks. They are also well versed at catching and sweeping. My only knock on them is that their fighters seem very robotic but their reaction time is really good.

Basically there are barely any Euros under or up to 135, and basically there are barely any good Thais above 135. So EU and Thai miss each other by weight. However both got 155ers right ? Which is sort of even. Buakaw Yod ect won and lost to the best in Europe. Ok there's just Buakaw Yod rest are below LW. So why call Thais better if noone in Europe weighs 115 pounds, that's like 1% of the population actually less than 1%.

 

[Trabaho]

For larger guys they shouldn't try to even compete in Thailand. It is just a waste of time. There is no competition there. I think anything heavier than 160 shouldn't go there. They have people over 160 but it's probably across the border or against another foreigner.

Is there a heavyweight division in Thailand ? like French ect guys fighting each other at HW ? I bet there is and the competition is low.

 

[NoSmilez]

Basically there are barely any Euros under or up to 135, and basically there are barely any good Thais above 135. So EU and Thai miss each other by weight. However both got 155ers right ? Which is sort of even. Buakaw Yod ect won and lost to the best in Europe. Ok there's just Buakaw Yod rest are below LW. So why call Thais better if noone in Europe weighs 115 pounds, that's like 1% of the population actually less than 1%.

It is more complicated than that. When Thais fight overseas. They are basically over the hill or they are not suitable for stadium fighting. Sometimes managers might have someone in their stable that is more suited for stadium fighting so the second guy fights overseas competition. You can see their bodies are softer vs earlier in their career. Most Thais are over the hill by the time they hit 25.

There are good Europeans that live and go through the stadium route. It's not easy to win in the stadium as a foreigner. Those folks train/live in Thailand.

 

[Trabaho]

It is more complicated than that. When Thais fight overseas. They are basically over the hill or they are not suitable for stadium fighting. Sometimes managers might have someone in their stable that is more suited for stadium fighting so the second guy fights overseas competition. You can see their bodies are softer vs earlier in their career. Most Thais are over the hill by the time they hit 25.

There are good Europeans that live and go through the stadium route. It's not easy to win in the stadium as a foreigner. Those folks train/live in Thailand.

They just don't have 155 guys. Buakaw was fresh enough and top 3. My favorite actually. In One thais are doing great, well it is Muay thai. I just don't fancy anything below 155. 155 is great, below just can't celebrate it. Obviosuyl foreigners who are small enough to fight Thai elite are gonna have a hard time. there's a milion Thais doing Muay thai since childhood, you are just one of them there basically.

 

[NoSmilez]

Is there a heavyweight division in Thailand ? like French ect guys fighting each other at HW ? I bet there is and the competition is low.

France is probably the best European country in Muay Thai. They had a few stadium champions from 140-160 lbs. Stadium fighting is very competitive. You don't stay champion for long but France at least produced fighters who were able to capture titles.