International House Speaker Mike Johnson Breaks With Trump, Calls Putin a ‘Threat to America,’ Warns of New Axis Forming on President’s Watch

[Kassitus]

McCarthyism has left a strong psychological legacy. Putin can barely beat Ukraine, how exactly is he going to form some sort of axis? America is no more threatened by Putin than they are by any other middle power like Iran.

 

[lsa]

NATO had its own goals in Afghanistan.

"NATO Allies went into Afghanistan after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States, to ensure that the country would not again become a safe haven for international terrorists to attack NATO member countries. "

Yes and it was based on the attack on US...
Your allies showed up and defended you.

 

[Seano]

"NATO Allies went into Afghanistan after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States, to ensure that the country would not again become a safe haven for international terrorists to attack NATO member countries. "

Yes and it was based on the attack on US...
Your allies showed up and defended you.

Dramatic oversimplification. NATO was there to train and support the Afghan security force.

We could have handled ourselves in Afghanistan.

 

[lsa]

Dramatic oversimplification. NATO was there to train and support the Afghan security force.

We could have handled ourselves in Afghanistan.

“The invocation of Article 5 demonstrated the power of the collective, versus the strength of one country trying to stand alone….”
R. Nicholas Burns, the United States ambassador to NATO

You could have handle your self in Afghanistan?
Remind me how did that war end?

 

[Seano]

“The invocation of Article 5 demonstrated the power of the collective, versus the strength of one country trying to stand alone….”
R. Nicholas Burns, the United States ambassador to NATO

You could have handle your self in Afghanistan?
Remind me how did that war end?

It was a waste of time and money. We tried to "fight terrorism" ,a world wide concern, and didn't accomplish much. Disastrous exit too.

I don't believe we should involve ourselves on other nations wars for this very reason.

 

[lsa]

It was a waste of time and money. We tried to "fight terrorism" ,a world wide concern, and didn't accomplish much. Disastrous exit too.

I don't believe we should involve ourselves on other nations wars for this very reason.

but no comment on US invoking article 5?
You are the only country to ever do so.
And your allies stepped up..

"By invoking Article 5, NATO members showed their solidarity toward the United States and condemned, in the strongest possible way, the terrorist attacks against the United States."

Again, your (NATO) allies has put boots on the ground and died for you.

 

[Seano]

but no comment on US invoking article 5?
You are the only country to ever do so.
And your allies stepped up..

"By invoking Article 5, NATO members showed their solidarity toward the United States and condemned, in the strongest possible way, the terrorist attacks against the United States."

Again, your (NATO) allies has put boots on the ground and died for you.

Your post has your answer in it.
We're a NATO nation, NATO responded to an attack against a NATO ally.

Ukraine is not a NATO nation as NATO countries found them too corrupt to join.

 

[Deorum]

It was a waste of time and money.

RIP to the brothers lost over there, but yeah, it was mostly that. A straight-up invasion and full blown 20-year occupation of a country on the side of the planet resulted in fewer US service member deaths than there were civilians murdered on 9/11. Insane.

 

[ShadowRun]

but no comment on US invoking article 5?
You are the only country to ever do so.
And your allies stepped up..

"By invoking Article 5, NATO members showed their solidarity toward the United States and condemned, in the strongest possible way, the terrorist attacks against the United States."

Again, your (NATO) allies has put boots on the ground and died for you.

It benefited them more since Afghan is close to Europe. They didn't help with Iraq.

NATO has benefited more from USA, being the world super power deterring other countries since the 40's. It's not even close.

 

[lsa]

Your post has your answer in it.
We're a NATO nation, NATO responded to an attack against a NATO ally.

Ukraine is not a NATO nation as NATO countries found them too corrupt to join.

Ukraine has nothing to do with this.

Your original post was about security and how you find it absurd that US put so much in to Europes security, yet its your allies that shows up and gets killed for you, in your wars.
When was the last time your soldiers died for your NATO allies?
You are the only country to ever to invoke article 5.

 

[lsa]

It benefited them more since Afghan is close to Europe. They didn't help with Iraq.

NATO has benefited more from USA, being the world super power deterring other countries since the 40's. It's not even close.

US invoked article 5 for the Afghan war.
You asked for help.
LOL of thinking a war in Afghanistan some how benefited Europe...

 

[ShadowRun]

US invoked article 5 for the Afghan war.
You asked for help.
LOL of thinking a war in Afghanistan some how benefited Europe...

Yea curbing terrorism in Southwest Asia that is next to Europe is not helpful at all. .

It was agreed by NATO in-sync, not invoked by USA, you don't know what you're talking about .

NATO became involved in the Afghanistan War primarily due to the invocation of Article 5 of its founding treaty, which states that an attack on one member is an attack on all. This unprecedented action was triggered by the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, carried out by al-Qaeda, a group based in Afghanistan under Taliban protection. On September 12, 2001, NATO allies unanimously agreed to invoke Article 5 for the first time in the alliance's history, framing the response as collective self-defense.

 

[Siver!]

Over 20% I believe.
edit-
22% and thats out of 32 countries who are members.

I'm reading 15.8 percent, the same as Germany?

I might be looking at the wrong stats?

Which ones are you using, Seano?

 

[Seano]

Ukraine has nothing to do with this.

Your original post was about security and how you find it absurd that US put so much in to Europes security, yet its your allies that shows up and gets killed for you, in your wars.
When was the last time your soldiers died for your NATO allies?
You are the only country to ever to invoke article 5.

You asked why NATO took our side in Afghanistan. Because the USA, the strongest contributor to NATO, was attacked and NATO was obligated to respond.

We are absolutely talking about US/NATO involvement in Ukraine. We have no obligation there and neither does NATO. We've propped up that for, what, 3 years now? And now Europe is hinting at military intervention? Now the world is shitting on us for wanting to stop it?

 

[Seano]

I'm reading 15.8 percent, the same as Germany?

I might be looking at the wrong stats?

Which ones are you using, Seano?

You're right, historically it was 22% but I forgot Trump renegotiated the spending at the end of his first term.

I think the point stands. 16% of their budget of 32 NATO nations is just as ridiculous.

 

[Siver!]

You're right, historically it was 22% but I forgot Trump renegotiated the spending at the end of his first term.

I think the point stands. 16% of their budget of 32 NATO nations is just as ridiculous.

It's big, but I'm glad another country is shouldering the same burden.

Honestly, that 16 percent is obviously a lot, but I don't think NATO relies on the US as much as Trump likes to make out.

You reckon the US leaves? I think yes.

 

[Deaths Head]

Your post has your answer in it.
We're a NATO nation, NATO responded to an attack against a NATO ally.

Ukraine is not a NATO nation as NATO countries found them too corrupt to join.

This is how I know your a Trumper you just continue to post false information but in your case I honestly think your that dim witted you actually believe what your saying on here . Lol

According to Transparency International that measures annually perceptions of corruption, Ukraine scores 36/100, leading it to rank 104th out of 180 countries. Importantly, its trajectory over recent years show Zelensky’s reform efforts are already bearing fruit.


Are you saying there’s no NATO Allie that is more corrupt ? Because that would just be another lie on your part .



Ukraine has not joined NATO bc of Putins threats to retaliate it literally has nothing to do with nato countries not wanting them to join as it’s the United States decision to allow it mainly even though others vote but imagine other countries Saying no even though they are defending Ukraine as I post this ? man you really are a fool . Lol

 

[USA!USA!]

McCarthyism has left a strong psychological legacy. Putin can barely beat Ukraine, how exactly is he going to form some sort of axis? America is no more threatened by Putin than they are by any other middle power like Iran.

Considering Putin now has America, the largest contributor to the Ukraine war effort and NATO, in his back pocket.. I'd say it's pretty clear why the world fears further Russian aggression.

 

[cincymma79]

I’ll just keep asking which of you forever war pussies is signing up?
Here ya go:

Join the Brave

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Now tuck in your meaty labia and go fight!

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Doesn't mean I have to support this obviously corrupt and unethical Ukrainian government either.

They just don't get it. They're like hysterical women.

I've given up even trying to explain it to them.