International House Speaker Mike Johnson Breaks With Trump, Calls Putin a ‘Threat to America,’ Warns of New Axis Forming on President’s Watch

[rocketskates]

The answer is complex. If you're already losing a war, and you have to resort to literally pulling people off the streets and forcing them into the front lines, you're now just fighting the government's war. If the will of the people is there, fine. If it's not, then you're just killing your people for the sake of it. Like it or not. surrender in the face of defeat, is an option. It ain't a fucking movie. If America were to ever invade us, I want to see your face when you're pulled off the streets to go get a bullet in the dome or burned alive. Something tells me that your feelings would be a bit more conflicted when it's your ass on the line, as opposed to some Ukrainians a million miles away, fighting for your internet feels.

Admittedly, I haven’t researched like I should, but were most Ukrainians in favor of Zelenskyy signing the mineral deal, or not? Genuinely asking. If the general populace feels that is the way out then their president should support the will of his people.

 

[Sinister]

Did you really see a story about this?

There are lots of stories about this. So many Republican town halls are going awry that Mike Johnson has already accused angry Republicans of being paid Democrat agitators. Lol

I just think it's naive to think these people are going to adhere to election results.

They're not going to do that. They're going to declare elections they dont win as fraudulent and refuse to leave office.

 

[HereticBD]

I've said conscription happens, and that I don't agree with it as it potentially violates human rights.

But you're agreeing with it in Ukraine's case, because "they were invaded". It's your argument for not giving a shit that Ukrainians are literally being physically forced into a war they don't want to fight.

Justify it to yourself all you want. I, however, will call it like it is. You don't care how many people have to die, for you to feel good about a conflict a million miles away.

 

[nostradumbass]

Well and the whole “America is the axis of evil” argument as well. Seeking a diplomatic end to the war is the preferred result. Maybe the mineral deal could be restructured to be more favorable to Ukraine, but in any case, it’s not like America is cutting funding to Ukraine and then giving money to Russia to support their war effort. If that were the case then I’d say that America has officially turned to the dark side.

Saying “we’ve spent enough on this war, we aren’t giving anymore funds” doesn’t mean that the US is siding with Russia. I think that Trump is trying to strike a deal to end the war for his own personal gain so that he can say “look how great I am, I ended the war”, but if it ends the war on terms that both sides agree upon then I’m in favor of it, and I think the citizens of both countries involved would be as well. And before anyone calls me a MAGAtard or some stupid shit, I don’t like Trump at all, you can check my post history leading up to the election as I made that very well known.

As with every thread on here, it was based entirely on a fake news story that requires everyone already believe their false premise. You'd have to already accept that not writing Ukraine blank checks with nothing in return to keep the war going in perpetuity is "pro Russia" to think that Mike Johnson saying Putin is a bad guy somehow conflicts with Trump wanting to end the war.

 

[Sinister]

The answer is complex. If you're already losing a war, and you have to resort to literally pulling people off the streets and forcing them into the front lines, you're now just fighting the government's war. If the will of the people is there, fine. If it's not, then you're just killing your people for the sake of it. Like it or not. surrender in the face of defeat, is an option. It ain't a fucking movie. If America were to ever invade us, I want to see your face when you're pulled off the streets to go get a bullet in the dome or burned alive. Something tells me that your feelings would be a bit more conflicted when it's your ass on the line, as opposed to some Ukrainians a million miles away, fighting for your internet feels.

You had to use atomization to make your point. Essentially some people dont give a shit enough about their Country to get involved, thus, the climate MUST be that the War is in vain.

This isn't a f*ckin movie. Theres reluctance on both sides and the Russian reluctance is worse. Suggesting Ukraine's effort is lost because of conscription when they werent the first to even use it, and as Russia is egregiously feeding bodies into the meat grinder is an absurd position to argue from.

 

[Zazen]

Tens of millions of Republicans regret voting for Trump. They were talking about it on the news today. A gigantic blue wave is about to happen in 2026.

I’ll believe it when I see it. One of the most dangerous aspects of MAGA is their willingness to shift their position to whatever Trump says. Trump didn’t run on Canada being a 51st state or being an ally to Russia, or having Musk dismantle the government and yet social media is full of idiots defending all of this. When Trump was elected a second time I lost all faith in Americans to make the right decision. I very much want to be proven wrong though

 

[Jacket time]

folks believe Ukraine can defeat Russia and Russia is the biggest threat to US
If Ukraine defeat anyone they are no threat to the US...gtfo

 

[Siver!]

But you're agreeing with it in Ukraine's case, because "they were invaded".

No, I am not agreeing with it or justifying it. My comments are quite clear, I've just quoted them to you.

Why are you still going round in circles like this? What's the purpose?

 

[HereticBD]

You had to use atomization to make your point. Essentially some people dont give a shit enough about their Country to get involved, thus, the climate MUST be that the War is in vain.

This isn't a f*ckin movie. Theres reluctance on both sides and the Russian reluctance is worse. Suggesting Ukraine's effort is lost because of conscription when they werent the first to even use it, and as Russia is egregiously feeding bodies into the meat grinder is an absurd position to argue from

Oh' look, another one.

 

[Sinister]

As with every thread on here, it was based entirely on a fake news story that requires everyone already believe their false premise. You'd have to already accept that not writing Ukraine blank checks with nothing in return to keep the war going in perpetuity is "pro Russia" to think that Mike Johnson saying Putin is a bad guy somehow conflicts with Trump wanting to end the war.

No one was writing checks. Its comical that you idiots think we were bank transferring endless money to Ukraine or something. We were Venmoing them hundreds of billions of dollars. Our financial assistance to Ukraine is a fraction of the total cost of everything we've given. Its around $27 billion of actual financial/budgetary assistance.

And, of course, none of you are ever going to compare that to how much money private industries have made because of this War effort. And how we saved cost on equipment disposal by just giving it to them.

Because you're not about to let facts get in the way of your feelings.

 

[Sinister]

folks believe Ukraine can defeat Russia and Russia is the biggest threat to US
If Ukraine defeat anyone they are no threat to the US...gtfo

Nice strawman.

The only one who said Ukraine can defeat Russia is you, albeit ironically. Those of us who want to see continued US support of Ukraine understand how leverage in negotiation works, know what has checked Russian aggression in the past, and would rather our President not kneel and suck for an authoritarian dictator who absolutely would love nothing more than to see the USSR return, albeit much more racist and actually Christian Nationalist this time, and to see the US burn.

 

[nostradumbass]

Admittedly, I haven’t researched like I should, but were most Ukrainians in favor of Zelenskyy signing the mineral deal, or not? Genuinely asking. If the general populace feels that is the way out then their president should support the will of his people.

I don't think there's polling on the mineral deal specifically, but the majority of Ukrainians have wanted a negotiated end to the war since last year, and the majority of those support giving up territory to get it, and most of the people in the region itself have supported independence from Ukraine for years before Russia came in.

Poll: Over 50% of Ukrainians want to end the war

52% of those who want a negotiated peace also support territorial concessions

responsiblestatecraft.org

 

[MrShady]

If the US wants to stop funding Ukraine, they should also stop funding Israel and make AIPAC register as a foreign lobby entity.

Isn't that right MAGAnadian? You never did answer my question regarding the USS Liberty incident.

 

[nostradumbass]

No one was writing checks. Its comical that you idiots think we were bank transferring endless money to Ukraine or something. We were Venmoing them hundreds of billions of dollars. Our financial assistance to Ukraine is a fraction of the total cost of everything we've given. Its around $27 billion of actual financial/budgetary assistance.

And, of course, none of you are ever going to compare that to how much money private industries have made because of this War effort. And how we saved cost on equipment disposal by just giving it to them.

Because you're not about to let facts get in the way of your feelings.

What an embarrassing post. "Bro, we only gave them $27 billion in cash, and the rest was money we already took from you to buy weapons that we never used".

 

[Blayt7hh]

Why support a monster

Yeah being expected to defend your country and its citizens from literal invaders, so monstrous

When did the right become a bunch of limp wristed pussies? That wasn’t something that was on my bingo card

 

[Crazy Source]

If the US wants to stop funding Ukraine, they should also stop funding Israel and make AIPAC register as a foreign lobby entity.

Isn't that right MAGAnadian? You never did answer my question regarding the USS Liberty incident.

They are cool with them. It's strategic, and those same people saying don't fund Ukraine aren't looking at the strategic position it is. We are dealing with a toddler in office. Give him a shiny toy and he is happy. How is that Greenland thing going? Panama Canal? "Gulf of America" .............clown show with big clown boots.

 

[MrShady]

They are cool with them. It's strategic, and those same people saying don't fund Ukraine aren't looking at the strategic position it is. We are dealing with a toddler in office. Give him a shiny toy and he is happy. How is that Greenland thing going? Panama Canal? "Gulf of America" .............clown show with big clown boots.

Yup. "Strategic ally" is another way of saying Mossad/Israel owns us and useful idiots like MAGAnadian lap it up.

Awaiting the "you're just a Jew hating libtard democrat" insult lol

 

[Jacket time]

If the US wants to stop funding Ukraine, they should also stop funding Israel and make AIPAC register as a foreign lobby entity.

Isn't that right MAGAnadian? You never did answer my question regarding the USS Liberty incident.

sounds good

 

[HereticBD]

Admittedly, I haven’t researched like I should, but were most Ukrainians in favor of Zelenskyy signing the mineral deal, or not? Genuinely asking. If the general populace feels that is the way out then their president should support the will of his people.

Nothing specific, but they're in favor of a swift end to the war via diplomatic means. 52% at last check. This is down like 25 points from two years ago. They've had enough.

 

[Jacket time]

Yeah being expected to defend your country and its citizens from literal invaders, so monstrous

When did the right become a bunch of limp wristed pussies? That wasn’t something that was on my bingo card

NATO got on Russia doorstep, FAFO