Hope Hicks: Working for Trump "Requires Me to Tell White Lies" ***UPDATE: Hicks Resigns***

Sorry, Mick, this is weak sauce bothsideism methinks.

Every politician spins the truth in a favorable light... that I think we can acquiesce to. They all probably lied at some point, but we SHOULDN’T accept it, and we should be angry when they are caught.

And there is a BIG difference between the “normal” liar, and the liar who lies so much that his fucking Communications Director has to admit it.
No, this is a terrible misreading. You're literally regurgitating this thought from @Quipling's post and projecting it onto something I wrote. De-velocitize yourself.

How did I imply that the Trump administration is less deceitful than other administrations? How did I imply that this sort of dishonesty is somehow equal along partisan lines? I did neither. I spoke vaguely towards my disheartened observation that people complain that politicians tell lies, then they deliberately spin up partisan threshers out of political opportunism every time a politician admits this controversial truth.

The Democrats don't truly feel injured, outraged, or appalled by what Hicks said, here. It's just one more opportunity to attack and weaken Trump.
Then you and I have different philosophies about showing your hand. Even in regard to your own people, which I did not specify was the target of these lies (although I accept that this is the implied context), one of the only things Trump said during the campaign I favored was that a President should be ready to be willfully deceptive in his public speech and rhetoric with regard to his intentions on how to rout foreign threats like ISIS, for example. If my President tells me a lie as misdirection of strategy in order to confuse the enemy, I'm okay with it, so long as his actions either way didn't require my consent at that point in the political process. You're not on the campaign trail.

Another example is when he has to tell a lie to me, publicly, because telling the truth would incense a foreign power, or alienate us on the world stage. For example, let's say Russia is lying about being somewhere in Syria. They're deliberately countering our interests. They're aiding and abetting Syrian forces killing our allies and even threatening our own special forces in that area. They're not where they're supposed to be.

So Trump executes an attack on Russian forces. Putin howls in the international press. He has to play dumb about being there, but he seeks to marshal sympathy that the Americans have committed some act of war against Russia (or the sovereignty of Syria...despite that he himself is meddling in this sovereign affair). Trump plays dumb in the press. I didn't know Russian forces were thereabouts.

After all, Putin is playing dumb that he wasn't where everyone agreed he was supposed to be in this ridiculous proxy war. If Trump admits he attacked Russian forces it escalates things, and possibly opens us to criticism in the U.N., simply because we try to do the right thing and tell the truth, while Putin insulates himself from his misdeeds by simply lying about them: "Prove it". Just like he challenges us to prove Assad gassed Ghouta.

Why would I want my President to tell the truth to me, there, when it promulgates this truth to a judgmental U.N. who is ready to play a willfully naive referee in regard to Russia?

Sometimes politicians tell lies, and it isn't nefarious. It's just strategy. Your proud claim refusing that a lie could ever be told with benevolent intentions, "I don't," reflects a naive absolutism. Dispense with it.
 
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I will again own up to believing that despite all of Trump's lack of qualifications to be president when he was running, I did think that a leader of a business empire could responsibly hire the correct people for the role and comfortably delegate

I expected Trump as a presidential figurehead, and capable people running each department well

I was wrong
I respect your honesty.
The next time you consider a business person as a politician, please do some due diligence and look into the kind of business they run, their character as a corporate citizen, and if their experience is relevant to being commander in chief. When people say they think a successful business person could be a good president, I assume they mean someone like George Romney (Mitt's father), whom imo would have been a great President if he hadn't lost to Nixon in the primaries.
 
Then you and I have different philosophies about showing your hand. Even in regard to your own people, which I did not specify was the target of these lies (although I accept that this is the implied context), one of the only things Trump said during the campaign I favored was that a President should be ready to be willfully deceptive in his public speech and rhetoric with regard to his intentions on how to rout foreign threats like ISIS, for example. If my President tells me a lie as misdirection of strategy in order to confuse the enemy, I'm okay with it, so long as his actions either way didn't require my consent at that point in the political process. You're not on the campaign trail.

Lying to foreigners is far more acceptable. However if you're doing the right thing there's no reason to try to "confuse" anybody.

So many people seem to accept their government doing sketchy shit to other countries in the name of keeping power or getting ahead. Yet I bet most would say they don't conduct themselves in a similarly dishonest manner. Not sure why manipulative and murderous behavior is wrong for the individual but par for the course for the group.
 
so theres literally no hope in the white house...
 
Lying to foreigners is far more acceptable. However if you're doing the right thing there's no reason to try to "confuse" anybody.

So many people seem to accept their government doing sketchy shit to other countries in the name of keeping power or getting ahead. Yet I bet most would say they don't conduct themselves in a similarly dishonest manner. Not sure why manipulative and murderous behavior is wrong for the individual but par for the course for the group.
I offered a second example.

Sometimes there is only one public, and lying to foreign powers entails lying to your own people (even if nobody anywhere actually believes the lie...except the most partisan hacks such as the anti-American dumbbots out there who always believe any CT that casts America in the role of the predatory villain).
 
I offered a second example.

Sometimes there is only one public, and lying to foreign powers entails lying to your own people (even if nobody anywhere actually believes the lie...except the most partisan hacks such as the anti-American dumbbots out there who always believe any CT that casts America in the role of the predatory villain).

Then don't lie. Not answering a question is better than giving untruths. Don't give specifics about how exactly you're gonna murder people without trial across the globe. But saying what a general strategy would be is hardly gonna cost you victory. I mean, it's gonna be obvious pretty quickly to the enemy what you're up to.

Is shady manipulation how you conduct your own affairs?
 
Hope Hicks looks down at her notebook. "Hope?" General Kelly calls walking to her desk "POTUS needs to see you." After she leaves, he picks up the notebook and begins reading With a red pen he writes and neatly crosses out the name: -HOPE HICKS He smiles and turns the page...
 
Sometimes politicians tell lies, and it isn't nefarious. It's just strategy. You're proud claim refusing that a lie could ever be told with benevolent intentions, "I don't," reflects a naive absolutism. Dispense with it.

The examples you provided were most certainly created by "nefarious" circumstances. And you're providing scenarios that in no way excuse lying as a general necessity. It's only necessary in the specific circumstance you've outlined, care to outline a few hundred others that would justify saying "politicians lie" like it's equal to "fish swim"?

Any leader acting honestly and for the best interests of his people should never have to lie to those people. The fact that it happens doesn't justify it. If you're saying "people can't handle the truth" the answer is "educate them until they can", it's not "lie to them".

You may not have intended it to be so dismissive, but your original reply was essentially a complete brush off of what's essentially THE problem with our government: a disconnect between our leaders and the people they lead.
 
Am I the only one who finds this alarming? What's with all these people leaving the job in such a short time span?

No, anyone with common sense and intellectual honestly finds this extremely alarming. Not to mention we have people making decisions that don't even have proper security clearances. The whole thing is alarming
 
No, anyone with common sense and intellectual honestly finds this extremely alarming. Not to mention we have people making decisions that don't even have proper security clearances. The whole thing is alarming
they are outsiders, you cant expect outsiders to have the experience or knowledge on how things work on the inside as they never been.
 
they are outsiders, you cant expect outsiders to have the experience or knowledge on how things work on the inside as they never been.

That's it? The US national security is at risk so we through our hands up and say, oh well, these people are just outsiders. lol.

I do not accept that
 
Hope Hicks looks down at her notebook. "Hope?" General Kelly calls walking to her desk "POTUS needs to see you." After she leaves, he picks up the notebook and begins reading With a red pen he writes and neatly crosses out the name: -HOPE HICKS He smiles and turns the page...

200w.webp
 
I bet that she is leaving for financial reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if that Meuller interview cost over 80k in lawyer fees.
 
She's 29? Hard to believe that she's younger than I am based on her looks. Working in the White House must have accelerated her aging process by at least 5 years.
She's a hard-running alcoholic whore with no self-respect. The brightest flames burn out so quickly, bring on the face lifts.
 
they are outsiders, you cant expect outsiders to have the experience or knowledge on how things work on the inside as they never been.

This is your defense? Incompetence? Jesus. It's not like Donny said he knows the system better than anyone, and was the best at delegation ever.......
 
I bet that she is leaving for financial reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if that Meuller interview cost over 80k in lawyer fees.
Speculation is that the controversy over her man really took a toll on her. Allegedly she was a sobbing mess in a Communications meeting on the day of her resignation.
She's a hard-running alcoholic whore with no self-respect. The brightest flames burn out so quickly, bring on the face lifts.
This woman only ever conducted herself with dignity, as far as I saw, and she's met with this undignified post. Maybe she was unqualified and in over her head, but by all accounts she was about the only person who ever managed to cajole Trump into sane composure. She proved far more even-keeled than him. She did her duty to her office as amicably and professionally as she could.

She doesn't deserve this garbage partisan bullshit. She didn't engineer this storm.
 
Speculation is that the controversy over her man really took a toll on her. Allegedly she was a sobbing mess in a Communications meeting on the day of her resignation.

This woman only ever conducted herself with dignity, as far as I saw, and she's met with this undignified post. Maybe she was unqualified and in over her head, but by all accounts she was about the only person who ever managed to cajole Trump into sane composure. She proved far more even-keeled than him. She did her duty to her office as amicably and professionally as she could.

She doesn't deserve this garbage partisan bullshit. She didn't engineer this storm.
Yeah, I know you have an affinity for the type who enable wife beating and abusive shithead men in general. #youtoo. That's the way it should be, right? Slap on that makeup and do daddy proud. Fuck her right along with all of them, she's not special.
 
having any job 'period' results in white lies at some time or other. this is not news
 
It's okay to be a Republican and not support this sham of a government.
 
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