Holly was stronger than Cyborg?

[Organic Damage]

I honestly think Cyborg let Holm have most of the clinch position just so she wouldn't tire herself out for later.

Holm was no threat in the clinch at all. Cyborg didnt need to waste energy for someone legit just hugging her to break her striking pattern, which again, failed on Holm's part.

Is Holm strong af?? Of course. I think Cyborg didn't use any energy to clinch fight.

Never considered this. It would be smart on Cyborg's part as a strategy to pace herself considering she so seldom goes the full 5x5 rounds.

Cyborg's strategic and tactical thinking added to her physical gifts is almost unfair, heh.

 

[dc007]

Like Rampage said, you put your ass into it

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

It was so frustrating they she never even tried striking when breaking from the clinch, she had ample opportunity to land a big strike, retreat and resett herself

 

[sapporo ichiban]

Absolutely agree, however, while it may not have done much for Holly, a different fighter with better grappling could exploit that hole.

I think what he was saying is that the fact she didn't resist the clinch doesn't really indicate a hole. Had she tried to resist it and couldn't get away then you would have a fair point.

Not sure that is what I saw.

 

[Fstepp]

Sure, Holly sure is a strong woman, but i do believe Cyborg didn't feel the need to resist much in the clinch either. Conservating power.

 

[bad seed]

what other 37 year old woman has a neck like 19 year old Vitor?
Everyone points their fingers at Cyborg (and she deserves it), but don't forget where Holly trains. America's largest distributor of grey market boner pills and estrogen blockers.

 

[Affenschädel]

cyborg seemed to punch Wayne harder and faster however.

Poor Wayne. He sure got beaten up that night.

 

[Brit_Brawler]

In the clinch at least. Every time it went there she seemed to be able to force Cyborg to the cage with relative ease and get underhooks. It makes me think there is untapped potential there that Jackson Wink isn't utilizing. Because she had no idea what to do there, seemed like she was only doing it to stop the pressure.

I agree. I was surprised. She didn’t even throw a single strike or not one that I recall.

 

[TidWell]

In the clinch at least. Every time it went there she seemed to be able to force Cyborg to the cage with relative ease and get underhooks. It makes me think there is untapped potential there that Jackson Wink isn't utilizing. Because she had no idea what to do there, seemed like she was only doing it to stop the pressure.

Holly Holm is one of the strongest chicks, she might not be able to deadlift as much as Cyborg but she is strong as an ox, but I think Cyborg was letting Holly tire, Cyborg looked so relaxed and wasnt even trying in those tie ups, she was using her experience while Holly was legit scared to let go of those hooks, a lot of guys who trained with her said she is solid and when they tie up she can grip you pretty strong, she just has no wrestling background, she only knew how to stall with the underhooks if she went into wrestling early she would have been a legit beast in MMA, because her ability to get those hooks is pretty impressive she just doesnt know how to transition to anything else.

 

[dns2344]

Was Cyborg even resisting the clinch much? She barely fought for underhooks.

Maybe Cyborg decided not to waste energy fighting off the clinch.

Not sure but its a possibility.

This was my thought but I guess it doesn’t really matter either way if it didn’t achieve anything during the fight.

 

[snakeyes1022]

Poor Wayne. He sure got beaten up that night.

Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Holly uses her leverage pretty well but I don't think Cyborg tried her hardest to get out of the clinch. They are pretty close in weight anyway and assuming they both lift weights their strength stats are probably very similar. Cyborg out-muscling her opponents was always overstated to discredit her.

 

[Dr John Smith]

People claiming that Cyborg didn't get out by choice forget that Holly also managed to retake control when Cyborg had control, or break away.

 

[The Schmoop]

Holly looked like the larger fighter. Her neck, back and traps are crazy for a woman. I don't see any reason as to why cyborg would "let" Holly shut her offense down intentionally..

 

[The Schmoop]

People claiming that Cyborg didn't get out by choice forget that Holly also managed to retake control when Cyborg had control, or break away.

I noticed this as well. The few times cyborg had holly on the wall it was quickly reverse with relative ease.

 

[MMAart]

In the clinch at least. Every time it went there she seemed to be able to force Cyborg to the cage with relative ease and get underhooks. It makes me think there is untapped potential there that Jackson Wink isn't utilizing. Because she had no idea what to do there, seemed like she was only doing it to stop the pressure.

And Holm's body is shredded, while her clit is huge...

Testosterone is awesome.

 

[MMAart]

Technique > strength.

Testosterone > Winstrol.

 

[Law Dog]

It also reveals a surprising hole in Cyborgs game.

Yes, but revealing a hole and being able to capitalize on it are two entirely different things. Holm is the only female we’ve seen, who has been able to neutralize Cyborg in that one department.

Keep in mind it never went to the ground (Cyborg would’ve ate her alive, which is why Holly was stalemating the clinch) and clearly Holm didn’t have the the advantage in any other realm of the fight. So in a nutshell that’s like saying, DC has the wrestling advantage over Bones, but if DC can’t capitalize on his one facet of strength, then who gives a fuck. (Btw, DC vs Jones analogy, was merely meant as an example.)

But lets be clear, finding a female who finally had one edge against Cyborg, in no way constitutes any kind of building block for other women that will challenge her. Holly did nothing with the advantage, for reference.

Good day to you, sir. Happy New Year!

 

[nhbfan8080]

Holly is strong at 145. She competed at 145,154 in boxing at the elite levels so she probably isn't giving too much away in terms of strength against Cyborg.

When she looks ripped below training for Cyborg, you know 145 fits her well.