Here is why I believe Stipe Miocic will beat Jon Jones

[Bobby Boulders]

Sounds about right actually.

I'd completely forsake the UFC at that point. I'm already perpetually teetering on the edge as it is lol

 

[Poirierfan]

I'd completely forsake the UFC at that point. I'm already perpetually teetering on the edge as it is lol

You and me both.

 

[Jesus X]

They guy to beat jon jones would have to be some BJJ virtuoso similar to a gordon Ryan or craig jones, no one is out wrestling jones right now and a good striker will just get submitted.

 

[Pechan]

Jon Jones doesn´t have that one shoot KO threat nor does he have an advantage on Stipe in the wrestling department. Stipe Miocic is great wrestler with a wrestling background himself and super durable. The fight will be fought mostly stand-up and here is why I believe Miocic gets an advantage he has power unlike Jones and could probably catch Jones plus he has long reach and Jones won´t be able to enjoy fighting on the outside.

I was listening to the rampage podcast where Ngannou said alot of people don´t realize how tough Stipe is and it surprises people when in there with him and I completely agree with him. I believe this fight will play out like Stipe vs DC 3 very tough back and forth fight where Stipe eventually finds the finish in the end

lol he most certainly has an advantage in the grappling.

 

[JosephTessaro]

If Stipe was a little younger I could see it going that way. At his prime he had great hands and exceptional boxing, particularly for HW where dudes don't generally move that great or use angles or footwork as well.


But Stipe is both old and extremely inactive.

And he looks rough in the recent pics posted by @Poirierfan

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Wow. If not like AI altered or whatever, just wow.

 

[ocfightfan]

Going to be a repeat of this...

Struve stealing Jones moves with the eye poke. Legit.

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

Jon Jones doesn´t have that one shoot KO threat nor does he have an advantage on Stipe in the wrestling department. Stipe Miocic is great wrestler with a wrestling background himself and super durable. The fight will be fought mostly stand-up and here is why I believe Miocic gets an advantage he has power unlike Jones and could probably catch Jones plus he has long reach and Jones won´t be able to enjoy fighting on the outside.

I was listening to the rampage podcast where Ngannou said alot of people don´t realize how tough Stipe is and it surprises people when in there with him and I completely agree with him. I believe this fight will play out like Stipe vs DC 3 very tough back and forth fight where Stipe eventually finds the finish in the end

Agreed. I was saying this for years (which is depressing because iit makes you realize how long this fight has been teased for).

We saw a very small sample size of what Jones looks like at HW and now he is coming off of injuries/ring rust. His cardio may not hold up well at HW with all of the added mass and it would not surprise me at all for Stipe to stay on his bike and steal a decision.

Jones has not looked like the same fighter since the OSP fight which was over 8 years ago now. Sure he made short work of a completely one dimensional Gane but it is hard to stomach his performances against Smith, Santos, and Reyes who were all pretty average fighters who shouldn't (and wouldn't) have reached title contendership if the division hadn't become a total wasteland.

I have always found Stipe to be wildly overrated but his weakenesses are not really exploited by Jones' strengths so this could easily be a closely contested 5 round fight... and only 1 of the 2 participants has proven cardio. With all of the delays, Stipe might be a bit over the hill now but this is far from a cakewalk for Jones at this stage IMHO

 

[BowserJr]

As both a Stipe fan and a Bones fan, I'm happy with either of them winning. Worst possible outcome is a draw or NC.

That's what's gonna happen. They'll book a rematch and Jones will hold the belt for 4 more years

 

[BowserJr]

Agreed. I was saying this for years (which is depressing because iit makes you realize how long this fight has been teased for).

We saw a very small sample size of what Jones looks like at HW and now he is coming off of injuries/ring rust. His cardio may not hold up well at HW with all of the added mass and it would not surprise me at all for Stipe to stay on his bike and steal a decision.

Jones has not looked like the same fighter since the OSP fight which was over 8 years ago now. Sure he made short work of a completely one dimensional Gane but it is hard to stomach his performances against Smith, Santos, and Reyes who were all pretty average fighters who shouldn't (and wouldn't) have reached title contendership if the division hadn't become a total wasteland.

I have always found Stipe to be wildly overrated but his weakenesses are not really exploited by Jones' strengths so this could easily be a closely contested 5 round fight... and only 1 of the 2 participants has proven cardio. With all of the delays, Stipe might be a bit over the hill now but this is far from a cakewalk for Jones at this stage IMHO

I agree on every point

 

[BowserJr]

Jon Jones doesn´t have that one shoot KO threat nor does he have an advantage on Stipe in the wrestling department. Stipe Miocic is great wrestler with a wrestling background himself and super durable. The fight will be fought mostly stand-up and here is why I believe Miocic gets an advantage he has power unlike Jones and could probably catch Jones plus he has long reach and Jones won´t be able to enjoy fighting on the outside.

I was listening to the rampage podcast where Ngannou said alot of people don´t realize how tough Stipe is and it surprises people when in there with him and I completely agree with him. I believe this fight will play out like Stipe vs DC 3 very tough back and forth fight where Stipe eventually finds the finish in the end

Not sure of Stipe is "great" wrestler but he's good enough with the added size and weight to negate most of Jones advantages he normally enjoys at lhw.

Stipe is big with kinda short arks though. If he lands like Santos or Reyes he wins. Problem is he's old now.

Jones may very well oblique kick his way to a decision victory

 

[g*r*b]

Stefan Struve, not known for his KO power, was one of the more challenging matchups for Stipe and finished him with strikes. Struve had Jon's exact reach (84.5").

I agree that Stipe historically has been capable in all these areas but it's been over 3 years since his last fight and his last 5 fights were total HW wars. Jones hand-picked this fight because he really likes his chances.

Stipe walking: (limping gait)



Stipe talking: (Unable to answer if Jones fight delayed until 2027 would be too late. "I don't know man, maybe. I'll keep training.").

I like how you try to document your assertions with examples. What a pity they have significant flaws.

1. Reach: One thing people ignore is that difference in heights of fighters adds to effectual reach discrepancy, at least for head shots. Picture a right triangle. The flat base is the "reach", the perpendicular side the height difference. So the distance fist travels to face is the hypotenuse, the longest side. Punching straight across to Jones will NOT be equal to punching upwards to Struve.

2. Walking: I really can't understand people's reactions to this clip. Did you not realize before this that Stipe's a bit bowlegged? His rolling gait is here accentuated by the tight pants he's wearing, and maybe just a touch of swagger. How can you call it a limp, when he's not favoring one leg? How do you think he can pass physicals and stay on active duty as a firefighter if he's as incapacitated as you think?

3. Talking: HAVE YOU EVER HEARD STIPE TALK BEFORE? I've listened to interviews done before he entered the UFC and trust me, it ain't much different.

 

[pamirec]

The Stipe that did padwork like Chuck ain’t winning shit, man.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Lol, imagine a draw and the UFC decides to run it again while Aspinall defends his IC once again.

Sherdog woud implode.

Better yet, one of them wins, so they do a rematch, and the other guy wins, so they do a rubber match after having both of them coach a season of The Ultimate Fighter first.

And then that third fight ends in a draw.

 

[AmonTobin]

I like how you try to document your assertions with examples. What a pity they have significant flaws.

1. Reach: One thing people ignore is that difference in heights of fighters adds to effectual reach discrepancy, at least for head shots. Picture a right triangle. The flat base is the "reach", the perpendicular side the height difference. So the distance fist travels to face is the hypotenuse, the longest side. Punching straight across to Jones will NOT be equal to punching upwards to Struve.

2. Walking: I really can't understand people's reactions to this clip. Did you not realize before this that Stipe's a bit bowlegged? His rolling gait is here accentuated by the tight pants he's wearing, and maybe just a touch of swagger. How can you call it a limp, when he's not favoring one leg? How do you think he can pass physicals and stay on active duty as a firefighter if he's as incapacitated as you think?

3. Talking: HAVE YOU EVER HEARD STIPE TALK BEFORE? I've listened to interviews done before he entered the UFC and trust me, it ain't much different.

Fighters' reaches are listed as such for a reason. I think you're missing my point though (OP said Stipe would have the reach advantage). Correct me if I'm wrong but, nobody at HW has/had a reach quite as long as Jon Jones, other than Struve, who is very tall. You can incorporate the height into your equation if you like, but Jones makes better use of his reach than Struve ever did, despite how tall Struve is. So I think that point still stands.

I was mostly just taking the piss with the videos. I'm not asserting anything, just suggesting the vids are worth a look, if you're betting on this fight. The walking looked like a hobble or a limp to me and his speech does sound a little more eroded than it used to but neither of those things could have any bearing.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

OP, I really hope you're right, as I'll buy anyone in the PBP thread that's in Vegas drinks the whole night if you are.

Aye brather if Stipe wins I'll come to Vegas and buy you a prosti and an

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Stipe at his very best is a bad match up for Jon.

Jon isn't out boxing heem and he isn't bullying Stipe around and Stipe is very durable and would likely walk through most of Jon's strikes.

With that said what are the chances that Stipe will be at his best at 41 years old and a 3 year layoff after being brutally knocked out by Ng?

I'll be cheering for Stipe to punch Jon's head into the 18th row but not getting my hopes up.

 

[HHJ]

Jones did roidedly beat alot of guys who had KO power.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Stipe is turning 42 next week and in 2 days its the 4th anniversary of him last winning a fight. He hasnt fought at all since he was brutally KTFO by probably the biggest puncher in MMA history over 3 years ago. He is not bigger, taller or heavier than Jon, and we have seen him go life and death with an old DC when he was closeish to his own prime.

Theres a reason Jon is so willing to take this fight.

 

[g*r*b]

Fighters' reaches are listed as such for a reason. I think you're missing my point though (OP said Stipe would have the reach advantage). Correct me if I'm wrong but, nobody at HW has/had a reach quite as long as Jon Jones, other than Struve, who is very tall. You can incorporate the height into your equation if you like, but Jones makes better use of his reach than Struve ever did, despite how tall Struve is. So I think that point still stands.

I was mostly just taking the piss with the videos. I'm not asserting anything, just suggesting the vids are worth a look, if you're betting on this fight. The walking looked like a hobble or a limp to me and his speech does sound a little more eroded than it used to but neither of those things could have any bearing.

Agreed that Stipe has less of a reach than Jon. It's just that I've seen the "he had trouble with Struve, therefore" argument before a few too many times and welcomed the opportunity to address the false equivalency of it. And you're right that Jones uses his reach better than Struve. But in return you should be able to agree that Stipe has improved since the days of his first loss?

 

[g*r*b]

He hasnt fought at all since he was brutally KTFO by probably the biggest puncher in MMA history over 3 years ago.

And therefore has had a lot of time to recover from its effects.

Stipe: tanned, rested, ready.

(PS: HIm not fighting since then means he has logged only two minutes less cage time than Jon has had in the meanwhile.)