Hendricks or Usman: Who is #2 best WW all time?

[DanDragon Machi]

Between prime Usman and prime Hendrikc (pre USADA) which do you think was the tougher to beat and the one who had the best tools?

I think Hendricks had a better combination of striking + KO single punch. Usman has a little bit cleaner boxing

Usman was a better wreslter but no for a large margin. Nobody outwreslted Hendricks

I think Hendricks's resume was better: Condit, Lawler (for me 2x), Fitch, Kos, Ellenbergue and if you are going to account extra official victory (that he obviously had), GSP

Usman best victories: Burns, Masvidal (2x), Woodley, Maia, Covington (2x), Dos Anjos

Truly I'm not impressed by Usman resume, I think he would not have been so dominant in Lawler/Rory era (both were tough for wrestlers). And the only great striker that he has beaten (Masvidal) is inferior to Condit and Lawler.

I could put BJ in this discussion but I think he was too small to be as tough as these guys in that category.

I find Chimaev a tougher fighter than both but he didn't become a champion and his resume is not comparable to theirs

 

[pamirec]

It’s not Usman’s fault that he had to fight the same opponents twice, but it definitely affects his resume. Not sure who to pick though.

 

[Subline]

GSP fight wasn't a robbery

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Between prime Usman and prime Hendrikc (pre USA) which do you think was the tougher to beat and who had the best tools?

I think Hendricks had the best combination of striking + KO single punch. Usman has a little bit cleaner boxing

Usman was a better wreslter but no for a large margin. Nobody outwreslted Hendricks

I think Hendricks's resume was better: Condit, Lawler (for me 2x), Fitch, Kos, Ellenbergue and if you are going to account extra official victory (that he obviously had), GSP

Usman best victories: Burns, Masvidal (2x), Woodley, Maia, Covington (2x), Dos Anjos

Truly I'm not impressed by Usman resume, I think he would not have been so dominant in Lawler/Rory era (both were tough for wrestlers). And the only great striker that he has beaten (Masvidal) is inferior to Condit and Lawler.

I could put BJ in this discussion but I think he was too small to be as tough as these guys in that category.

I find Chimaev a tougher fighter than both but he didn't become a champion and his resume is not comparable to theirs

Usman. If you are only talking pre-USADA Hendricks, then it's a lot closer.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

Matt Hughes

 

[ChangeIsComing]

Matt Hughes

Yep,

1. GSP
2. Hughes
3. Usman
4. Woodley, Edwards, Lawler > all above Hendricks IMO.

Nothing against Hendricks, he is top 10 of all time but not near the top.

 

[VinceArch]

Hendricks isn't even in the top 5.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Between prime Usman and prime Hendrikc (pre USADA) which do you think was the tougher to beat and the one who had the best tools?

I think Hendricks had a better combination of striking + KO single punch. Usman has a little bit cleaner boxing

Usman was a better wreslter but no for a large margin. Nobody outwreslted Hendricks

I think Hendricks's resume was better: Condit, Lawler (for me 2x), Fitch, Kos, Ellenbergue and if you are going to account extra official victory (that he obviously had), GSP

Usman best victories: Burns, Masvidal (2x), Woodley, Maia, Covington (2x), Dos Anjos

Truly I'm not impressed by Usman resume, I think he would not have been so dominant in Lawler/Rory era (both were tough for wrestlers). And the only great striker that he has beaten (Masvidal) is inferior to Condit and Lawler.

I could put BJ in this discussion but I think he was too small to be as tough as these guys in that category.

I find Chimaev a tougher fighter than both but he didn't become a champion and his resume is not comparable to theirs

Who is the #2 WW all time? You really don't know?

 

[Kenny95]

It’s not Usman’s fault that he had to fight the same opponents twice, but it definitely affects his resume. Not sure who to pick though.

It's not usmans fault? He literally cherry picked masvidal and the ufc was happy to oblige. Masvidal was never worthy of a rematch. Edward's and belal had already been waiting for some time, and shavkat was already deserving but not in the front of the line, though shavkat still was more deserving than masvidal. Mas got "destroyed" in the first fight by stalling against the cage and foot stomps, which ironically is the exact reason masvidal got a rematch because people claimed that win wasn't legitimate.

 

[jeff7b9]

What the fuck?

GSP
Hughes

Big gap

Usman
Woodley

Other people like Robbie, Hendricks, Militech, Edwards

 

[DOMMA]

Wow, I forgot how awful Usman's legacy is....

Usman best victories: Burns, Masvidal (2x), Woodley, Maia, Covington (2x), Dos Anjos

Not a line up of top contenders in any UFC era. Their records after losing to Usman:

Burns - lost 3 of his next 5, beating only journeyman Magny and Masvidal
Masvidal - lost his next 2 fights and retired
Woodley - lost his next 3 fights and retired
Maia - lost 2 of 5, beating 3 unranked guys and then losing to 2 ranked guys and retirering
Covington - after second loss to Usman, went 1-1, beating Masvidal
Dos Anjos - probably Usman's best win, lost 5 of 8, beating Felder, ranked 8th at the time, losing to all 5 top 10 guys.

None of these guys ever beat a top 10 guy after fighting Usman, other than RDA beating Felder.

 

[DanDragon Machi]

Yep,

1. GSP
2. Hughes
3. Usman
4. Woodley, Edwards, Lawler > all above Hendricks IMO.

Nothing against Hendricks, he is top 10 of all time but not near the top.

I'm not putting only achievements and tittle defenses in the discussion, the main focus is about which was the second better figher in his prime

I think Hughes was beaten pretty much easily by prime BJ and GSP to be considered a tougher fighter than Usman and Hendricks in thei peak
For sure Hughes was the #2 WW most relevant and successful all time figher , but GSP wasn't the only better than him

 

[Sweater of AV]

Usman was a better wreslter but no for a large margin.

Rofl. Smooth one, CanDragon.

 

[Dr Fong]

There's some incredibly shit trolling angles on this website.

 

[JustOnce]

Hendricks beats Usman hands down. If Covington was able to give it to him, imagine prime Hendricks, and Hendricks was a far better pure collegiate wrestler than those two combined. Usman and Covington used it better in MMA though, but they aren't taking down Hendricks either.

Hendricks could go full five rounds too.

But Usman has done more so I have GSP 1










then Usman 2.

 

[Trabaho]

Hendricks fall off was steep. He 100% beat GsP, only his fans will say otherwise, and he got a lot of fans.

GSP is 1 no questions asked

Usman is top 5

Hard to rank anyone

Maybe Usman is 2

What is Leon. What is Belal.

Hendricks did great but than fell off a cliff.

 

[Trabaho]

It's not usmans fault? He literally cherry picked masvidal and the ufc was happy to oblige. Masvidal was never worthy of a rematch. Edward's and belal had already been waiting for some time, and shavkat was already deserving but not in the front of the line, though shavkat still was more deserving than masvidal. Mas got "destroyed" in the first fight by stalling against the cage and foot stomps, which ironically is the exact reason masvidal got a rematch because people claimed that win wasn't legitimate.

It's not cherry picking it's being rich. They sold a milion ppvs the second time. What is more worth, 3 milions ppv money or your opinion on sherdog.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Can't forget that Shields beat Menne, Miller, Kampmann, Akiyama, Okami, Condit, Maia, Woodley, Lawler, and Hendo

He never got the belt, which I know most people default to for their picks, but being probably #2 at the #1 time could easily see him over the #1 at weaker times

 

[TheMadHatter]

I have hughes ranked #2 all time

 

[chinarice]

I still have Matt Hughes, who I have despised forever as number 2. I don't think he would beat Usman though.