Hendo: Why win/loss is not everything

[blunttruth]

The part-time realtor who lost to a washed/chinless Cerrone a year later. Iaquinta was actually the last fight that Cerrone won.

Good points to keep things in perspective regarding Kahbib's career. I would add that if Rousey had ran away and retired after fighting Bethe Correia, she would have to be regarded at or above the level Kahbib was when he ran away and retired. But of course even Rhonda was man enough to give rematches to top competitors, and to continue fighting until she lost, and beyond, so that has to put several her career levels above Kahbib, you know, being fair and all.

 

[BowserJr]

how is he far impressive?
i remember back then silva was more impressive than gsp

is it really fair when you have memes getting ko'd tapped to strikes
has loses

but still surpasses guys that have superior resume and more title defences than you?

Losses simply mean you're actually testing yourself rather than always taking favorable matchups.

I know it's hard for you to follow but I laid it out in the OP.

Win/Loss ratio is t everything the context matters. Going undefeated for 10yrs but only fighting 2x is meaningless less.

Being 100-0 vs 100 scrubs is meaningless.

Based on your logic Rickson is goat since he's 300-0... but lemme guess you change the criteria for that and actually consider context in order to guzzle JBJ's cum

 

[BowserJr]

I haven't rewatched the 1st one in many years. Ill have to rectify that asap. Just remember Wand being on top alot and thinking he was too big for Hendo to handle. The 2nd one sticks in my memory because they hurt each other multiple times and were just throwing down in the center during the finish. Fuck, I miss Pride.

Both were good. IMO Wands granite chin was cracked with the CC ko and he came back too quick after it.

In the 1st one Hendo was undefeated. He landed the H bomb and dropped Wand but Wand got up quick. He dropped hendo too. It was a good back n forth at a time where Hendo had no losses and Wand was in the midst of his reign of terror

 

[BowserJr]

I disagree with this statement.
I think 90%+ of all fans have Dan Henderson in their top 10 GOAT fighter list. He certainly deserves a spot. Impressive wins for sure. Fedor was slipping when he caught him and Dan was gifted some decisions and has some losses. So most people don't put him as #1.

Legend, stud, warrior. One of the best ever.

Yeah not #1. But I think many people overlook him cuz his only UFC belt was tournament

 

[orca]

Losses simply mean you're actually testing yourself rather than always taking favorable matchups.

I know it's hard for you to follow but I laid it out in the OP.

Win/Loss ratio is t everything the context matters. Going undefeated for 10yrs but only fighting 2x is meaningless less.

Being 100-0 vs 100 scrubs is meaningless.

Based on your logic Rickson is goat since he's 300-0... but lemme guess you change the criteria for that and actually consider context in order to guzzle JBJ's cum

gsp lost 2x and never tested himself in USADA era
and you call that a challenge?
lmfao at jon fitch,sean sherk,matt sera matt hughes
you think these guys are better than the monsters jones faced?

jones wiped out 3 generations of fighters
fought guys who cut weight from 265 lbs
more title wins
faced superior fighters

jones fought in any era

and you believe a guy who tapped and lost twice in his career is better

 

[BowserJr]

and you call that a challenge?
lmfao at jon fitch,sean sherk,matt sera matt hughes

That's a list of all time greats LOL

you think these guys are better than the monsters jones faced?

Yeah Santos, Reyes, Smith, OSP, old retired Stipe, 1 D Gane are "monsters"

jones wiped out 3 generations of fighters
fought guys who cut weight fr

What are the 3 generations? Don't worry I won't wait for the none existent answer

fought guys who cut weight from 265 lbs

Who are all these fighters he fought that cut from 265? Can you name 2 or even 1? LMFAO

faced superior fighters

Yeah no one believes that Gus, Santos, Smith, Reyes, OSP, Gane, old retired Stipe, Sonnen are more skilled than anyone GSP faced in his title reign aside from Hardy

and you believe a guy who tapped and lost twice in his career is better

By your logic you think Rickson is the GOAT 300-0 record BAHAHAHAHAHA

BTW your use of emoji shows how emotional you've gotten cuz I made a fool of you
Your use of

 

[MRT]

2nd tier? Hendo and Nog have better resumes than supposed "GOATs" of other divisions. Why does everyone rank the supposed divisional GOATs above everyone else? Is it not possible that say the 2nd best Heavyweight of all time has a more impressive resume/career than the supposed #1 GOAT of bantamweight? Possibly also better than the GOATs of Flyweight, Light Heavyweight, Lightweight, Welterweight? Nog's resume can compete with anyone.

Hendo gets shafted in all time P4P GOAT talk because he didn't stick to one division. Everyone always ranks Fedor, Jones, Anderson, GSP, Aldo, DJ first. I understand that but I think Hendo absolutely belongs in the 5 to 10 range. Hendo and Nog absolutely had more impressive careers than Dominick Cruz at the very least.

It is certainly possible for the 2nd best LHW or HW to be ranked above the best LW, for example...it depends upon the criteria that people prioritize. I maintain that the collection of divisional dominance, title defenses, time at the top, calibre of competition, win/loss record, etc. collectively are what separates the GOATs from the greats.

'2nd tier' is not a slur...it just means behind the GOAT candidates...so that could still mean that Hendo is in the range you mention. There is a good argument for Hendo to be top 10, given his calibre of competition, wins, longevity, etc., but when we look at past and present fighters, the next tier could get very crowded, very quickly.

If we grant that GSP, Jones, Silva, and Fedor generally make up 1-4 on most GOAT lists, in whatever permutation...then, In no particular order, off the top of my head, where do we rank the likes of Aldo, Hughes, Hendo, Big Nog, Cormier, Cruz, Izzy, Cro Cop, Cain, Penn, Khabib, Stipe, Werdum...? (I'm not saying they are all ranked above/below Hendo...just throwing names out there)

The future will make it even more interesting as we can imagine some current fighters have the potential to produce an impressive legacy...what if Merab gets a few more defenses? What if Islam captures the WW title and defends it even a couple of times?

 

[Typrune Goatley]

It is certainly possible for the 2nd best LHW or HW to be ranked above the best LW, for example...it depends upon the criteria that people prioritize. I maintain that the collection of divisional dominance, title defenses, time at the top, calibre of competition, win/loss record, etc. collectively are what separates the GOATs from the greats.

'2nd tier' is not a slur...it just means behind the GOAT candidates...so that could still mean that Hendo is in the range you mention. There is a good argument for Hendo to be top 10, given his calibre of competition, wins, longevity, etc., but when we look at past and present fighters, the next tier could get very crowded, very quickly.

If we grant that GSP, Jones, Silva, and Fedor generally make up 1-4 on most GOAT lists, in whatever permutation...then, In no particular order, off the top of my head, where do we rank the likes of Aldo, Hughes, Hendo, Big Nog, Cormier, Cruz, Izzy, Cro Cop, Cain, Penn, Khabib, Stipe, Werdum...? (I'm not saying they are all ranked above/below Hendo...just throwing names out there)

The future will make it even more interesting as we can imagine some current fighters have the potential to produce an impressive legacy...what if Merab gets a few more defenses? What if Islam captures the WW title and defends it even a couple of times?

Yes, there are definitely some #2's of some divisions that were greater than the #1's of other divisions.

Nog and Aldo both were world champions and had defenses and their resumes are GOAT tier. Both should be top 10. I personally have them top 5 all time P4P.

Hendo was a multiple time world champion. He may not have as many defenses as Aldo or Anderson but he also was constantly jumping divisions and arguably has best resume of all time. I have Hendo around 5th or 6th best fighter of all time.

I also give Cormier the benefit of the doubt. His Heavyweight resume is very good and his Light Heavyweight resume is pretty damn good. But when you combine the two the list is is extremely impressive and you get the full picture. That is why I think DC belongs somewhere around 11 to 15th best fighter of all time. Possibly even cracks top 10.

We also have to give the benefit of the doubt to Randy, BJ, Vitor, Machida and other guys who have big wins in multiple divisions

 

[VAfan]

it's a real shame he could never snag a ufc belt though. that will always be an asterisk on his career.

 

[nonoob]

The gtrater point is that context matters. The context for some of the losses make them less meaningful. Also as someone else said he had some dubious decision wins which are a bit of a knock on him but when you look at the full context of his career and size, his career is far more impressive than many on the GOAT list

Hendo was A F'N AMAZING WARRIOR !

No Current Fighter has Dan's ferocious balls of stepping up across from anyone, anytime!

Dan was ALWAYS Undersized, often finding out at the last minute of events a world away against the BMOTP without a "Camp" or Even Advance notice of the one OR MORE Killers he'd face on the Same F'n Night.

List those killers he fought ??? No Need To. He fought The BEST of the Best.

Casuals with their "decision Dan" slams show No Clue of Real Non-Diva MMA fighting.

 

[Preston broadus]

Hendo is the goat if we don't look at his losses.

 

[orca]

That's a list of all time greats LOL


Yeah Santos, Reyes, Smith, OSP, old retired Stipe, 1 D Gane are "monsters"


What are the 3 generations? Don't worry I won't wait for the none existent answer


Who are all these fighters he fought that cut from 265? Can you name 2 or even 1? LMFAO



Yeah no one believes that Gus, Santos, Smith, Reyes, OSP, Gane, old retired Stipe, Sonnen are more skilled than anyone GSP faced in his title reign aside from Hardy



By your logic you think Rickson is the GOAT 300-0 record BAHAHAHAHAHA

BTW your use of emoji shows how emotional you've gotten cuz I made a fool of you
Your use of

weird the most stacked division all time back then is LHW
not MW or WW
gustafson,shogun,machida rashad,dc,bader,chael sonnen.trt vitor gustafson and many more

i mean you even consider trying to say that guys like matt sera is better than trt vitor?
best win is matt hughes u believe k1 hughes is better than DC?


fun fact its called HW because the limit is 265 lbs

also can you post jones top 15 wins vs gsps top 15 wins
and post how jones fought lesser fighters
il wait

 

[volcom5]

me interesting numbers GSP vs Dan Henderson

Dan Henderson is 5'11
GSP is 5'11

Dan Henderson has a 71 inch reach
GSP has 76 inch reach

You like to LIE a lot and put out a lot disinformation don’t you?

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NOT 71” reach buddy. And why did you even bring up GSP in the first place?, Comparing Henderson to Wanderlei Silva would’ve been a much better since they are closer in size and weight, but who knows you what your agenda is in using GSP.

Hendos fight night weight at 205 has been under 200lbs many times, he was 199lbs when he faced DC. GSPs fight night weight at 170 has been at least 194 (Firas said GSP was 194 4 days before the shields fight, most likely he was bigger on fight night)

You’re right about Henderson, but again lieing bout GSP.

GSP said from his own mouth that he walked 183lbs at WW, via Pound4Pound podcast with Usman & Cejudo. The Sheilds fight was when he tried to pack on more weight and he did not weightb
BIGGER than 194lbs on fight night. Firas said he will enter the ring at 192-193.

How GSP loses 23 pounds, then gains it back overnight

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Also GSP for his MW bout with Bisping he entered the cage at 190.5lbs. For a MW bout.

Dan Henderson is not entering the cage for his MW bouts 190lbs
Henderson is likely entering at 199+

Come on man, do better. There’s a trend with you, I notice you like to lie a lot and out some misleading information on this site when it comes to your nostalgia. You said in other threads that GSP cleared the MW division, that’s a lie and also how you love to put Werdum as OG pride fighter to count his wins over UFC fighters but omit Gonzaga’s win over Cro Cops because he was a “new breed” of HW, when in reality Werdum and Gonzaga both started their MMA careers at the same time, entered the major orgs at the same time with similar amount of bouts.

You ain’t gotta lie to kick it.

 

[volcom5]

gsp lost 2x and never tested himself in USADA era
and you call that a challenge?
lmfao at jon fitch,sean sherk,matt sera matt hughes
you think these guys are better than the monsters jones faced?

GSP losing 2x is not bad thing, you know that right? Losses occur when your constantly fighting best comp. The Serra loss I think George took him lightly, but hey it happened and then George got the win in the rematch. Losing to Matt Hughes isn’t a knock on GSP, Hughes was arguably still the P4P best fighter in the world at the time.

Aside from Serra, every single one of GSP’s opponents after his 10th MMA were elite, top ranked fighters in the WW division at the time. GSP’s wins are comparable to Jones in terms of relevance in their weight classes.

GSP did fight one bout in the Usada era, against Bisping, he was already on his way out though.

I got Jones as GOAT, but GSP isn’t far behind.

 

[BowserJr]

You like to LIE a lot and put out a lot disinformation don’t you?

Dan Henderson ("Hendo") | MMA Fighter Page | Tapology

Dan "Hendo" Henderson (32-15-0) is a Pro MMA Fighter out of Temecula, California. View complete Tapology profile, bio, rankings, photos, news and record.

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NOT 71” reach buddy. And why did you even bring up GSP in the first place?, Comparing Henderson to Wanderlei Silva would’ve been a much better since they are closer in size and weight, but who knows you what your agenda is in using GSP.


You’re right about Henderson, but again lieing bout GSP.

GSP said from his own mouth that he walked 183lbs at WW, via Pound4Pound podcast with Usman & Cejudo. The Sheilds fight was when he tried to pack on more weight and he did not weightb
BIGGER than 194lbs on fight night. Firas said he will enter the ring at 192-193.

How GSP loses 23 pounds, then gains it back overnight

(THE CANADIAN PRESS/Paul Chiasson) Have you ever looked at Georges St-Pierre on TV, then caught a glimpse of...

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Also GSP for his MW bout with Bisping he entered the cage at 190.5lbs. For a MW bout.

Dan Henderson is not entering the cage for his MW bouts 190lbs
Henderson is likely entering at 199+

Come on man, do better. There’s a trend with you, I notice you like to lie a lot and out some misleading information on this site when it comes to your nostalgia. You said in other threads that GSP cleared the MW division, that’s a lie and also how you love to put Werdum as OG pride fighter to count his wins over UFC fighters but omit Gonzaga’s win over Cro Cops because he was a “new breed” of HW, when in reality Werdum and Gonzaga both started their MMA careers at the same time, entered the major orgs at the same time with similar amount of bouts.

You ain’t gotta lie to kick it.

Pretty sure you have me confused with someone else cuz I didn't say any of the shit you said. Either that or your just completely unhinged and delusional.

Typo on the reach. Hendo 74, GSP 76.

GSP is mentioned because they are similar height and reach. GSP was a big WW who fought at MW and likely walked around close to what Hendo did, especially at fight night. Hendo was known for adding weights in his pockets.

But yeah your definitely delusional and angry

 

[volcom5]

Pretty sure you have me confused with someone else cuz I didn't say any of the shit you said. Either that or your just completely unhinged and delusional.

Typo on the reach. Hendo 74, GSP 76.

GSP is mentioned because they are similar height and reach. GSP was a big WW who fought at MW and likely walked around close to what Hendo did, especially at fight night. Hendo was known for adding weights in his pockets.

But yeah your definitely delusional and angry

Negative, i got the right guy.

 

[BowserJr]

gustafson,shogun,machida rashad,dc,bader,chael sonnen.trt vitor gustafson and many more

What you write is so badly thought out, that you should just stop LOL

You named 2 guys who were not active and LHW but rather MW when they fought Jones, you name Gus twice and Bader LMAO!

Here is a real comparison of best wins
GSP best wins
Bisping
Hughesx2
Shields
Fitch
Miller
Parisyan
Trigg
BJ (LW)
Diaz
^10 wins vs top/legends

Other top 10 wins
Alves
Kos
Serra (LW)

JBJ best wins
DC
Shogun
Machida
Rashad
Rampage
Vitor (MW)
^Top 10/Legends

Other top 10 wins
Gusx2
Edit: GLOVER
Santos LOL
Reyes LOL
Smith LMAO
Bader LOL
Gane LOL

 

[RebelKing]

Dan Henderson is the most under rated competitor in mma history.. The man was the size of a welterweight and has wins over some of the greatest heavyeight, light heavyweights and middleweights of all time. I’ll compare him to the 170 Great, GSP.

Some interesting numbers GSP vs Dan Henderson

Dan Henderson is 5'11
GSP is 5'11

Dan Henderson has a 71 inch reach
GSP has 76 inch reach

Hendos fight night weight at 205 has been under 200lbs many times, he was 199lbs when he faced DC. GSPs fight night weight at 170 has been at least 194 (Firas said GSP was 194 4 days before the shields fight, most likely he was bigger on fight night)

So basically you have two guys who are about the same size and one fought at 170 (no hate he should fight at 170) and the other fought at 175, 185, 205 and 265.

Pretty incredible that Dan has had the success he has had having top ten wins from 185 all the way to heavyweight!

Brazil open tournament champion (175lbs)

UFC middleweight tournament champion (under 200lbs)

Rings Openweight 32 man tournament champion (open weight)

Pride welterweight Grand Prix champion (183lbs)

Pride middleweight chanpion (205lbs)

Pride welterweight champion (183lbs)

Strikeforce 205lbs champion.

Sure Dan lost a bunch of times but he also fought more legends and top 10s than anyone while having the best win/loss ratio of anyone with that many fights and fights vs all time greats

Dan has wins over
Fedor - Pride champion
Big Nog pride/ufc/rings champ
Newton ufc champ
Babalu x2 strikeforce champ
Bustamante x2 ufc champ
Misaki pride GP champ
Belfort ufc champ
Wanderlei Silva pride champ
Rich Franklin ufc champ
Rousimar Palhares wsof champ
Bisping ufc champ
Feijao strikeforce champ
Shogun x2 ufc/pride champ
Lombard bellator champ
Ninja Rua Elitexc champ
Renzo Gracie
Allan Goes
Gilbert Yvel- vale tido/M1/rings champ
Kazuhiro Nakamura
Yuki Kondo- Pancrase champ

Good luck finding someone with a better or more extensive win list than Dan Henderson. You definitely won't find someone else with that kind of a win list at (3) multiple weight classes, much less for a guy that was on the smaller side for all the weight classes he competed in.

His career is far more impressive than Jones, Khabib, or GSP.

I love Hendo but saying his career is "far more impressive" than Jones and GSP is wild.

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

Strongest strength of schedule and a top 10 p4p ATG in my book.

Better career than GSP and Jones, though? That's a negative.

 

[BowserJr]

Negative, i got the right guy.

As I thought. You're just outright delusional since you're making up stories out of thin air.

Tell the voices in your head to calm down bud