Help me convince a friend of the power of the overhand right

This isn't exactly over-hand but you can see the power from turning your whole body into it
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Godzilla3232 said:
Overhand right is more powerful because it generates more velocity (has a bigger range of motion). It's a lot slower then a straight right though.

If you want to conceptualize the difference in velocity think swinging a baseball bat, as opposed to stabbing with it. The greater distance a punch has to travel to reach it's destination the more velocity it builds.
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When you throw a upercut the punch travels the same distance like during a overhand. But why then the upercut doesn't have as much KO power as a hook or straight ? See your theory is wrong, most of you here try to calculate what is stronger but have obviously not much expirience in boxing. Just cause you watched Chuck KO people it doesn't make you a boxing expert. The hook is the strongest because of where it lands on the chin and it's a more natural movement than a overhand punch but still about the same radius/distance of the movement. The upercut is the weakest cause it hits the chin from the botton upwards, the hook is the strongest cause hiting the chin directly from the side to the top of the chin results in the bigest "brainshake" and mostly in a ko.

And for all you boxing noobs: you try to put youre body weight in any punch you throw not just the overhand punches. It has to come from the hips and legs up to the core and finaly shoulder/fist, but of course you can't perform it everytime exactly right cause in a fight youre often pressured and have to react fast.

And please all of you smart keyboard warriors ,that have never trained to throw punches, hold youre sugestions and theorys back, thank you..
 
efloridacoupons said:
my boxing coach always said there was no such thing as a right hook.
Chuck throws it perfectly.excluding him, who else has a knockout highlight with that punch?
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Your boxing trainer told you there was no right hook ???
 
First Post by me in over ...well a few years (different account name).

You are wrong sir. Velocity plus mass equals power. Don't forget the original question was asking which creates more power...not which will knock someone out easier or any other un-asked question.
One thing inexperienced people are forgetting is basic human anatomy and physiology.

You are using a theory that since the fist and arm have a longer arc that automatically means more power. It doesn't. Ordinarily if you were talking about a piece of lead shot, you would be right. However, since the arm is attached to the shoulder and any actual power (ft/lbs) comes from the ability of the body to "back up" what is thrown...no matter what the technique a straight right hand will ALWAYS have more POWER (ft/lbs) relayed to the target vs. the overhand right.

A simple way of looking at this is the straight right is supported directly by the body. The further your arm gets away from the body (arc) and the more outside the frame of the shoulder it gets, the less power it is able to transfer (without pulling the arm out of socket at the shoulder). Technique doesn't matter here even if you get perfect technique.

No doubt, overhand rights are effective, they are VERY hard to block but that has nothing to do with the original question. THE STRAIGHT RIGHT WILL ALWAYS (100% OF THE TIME) carry more/deliver more force (ft/lbs) to the target. There's no arguing this one way or the other. These are the facts.

Regards..

Drake

Godzilla3232 said:
Overhand right is more powerful because it generates more velocity (has a bigger range of motion). It's a lot slower then a straight right though.

If you want to conceptualize the difference in velocity think swinging a baseball bat, as opposed to stabbing with it. The greater distance a punch has to travel to reach it's destination the more velocity it builds.
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Why don't you tell your friend to close his eyes...then hit him with an overhand-right. Problem solved.
 
The overhand right travels a greater distance so it should be more powerful.
 
When you throw a upercut the punch travels the same distance like during a overhand. But why then the upercut doesn't have as much KO power as a hook or straight ? See your theory is wrong, most of you here try to calculate what is stronger but have obviously not much expirience in boxing.
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Uppercut is an upward motion, hence it obviously doesn't build velocity. To build velocity you have to be traveling with gravity. I guess I just assumed people would know that without me saying it. An overhand winds up and loops into the air creating velocity with the downward arc.

Everything builds velocity when moving with gravity. A straight right moving perpendicular to gravitational pull can't build the same momentum.
 
It depends on who is throwing the punches. Chuck's overhand (windmill) punch is very strong as he rotates into it. I would rather get hit with a straight right from him than that overhand windmill punch.

Let it be known though that i prefer not to get hit at all by Chuck Liddell.
 
Using this theory....Moe Howard from the three stooges should generate the most power from those looping punches where he gets curly to hit his fist and it loops 360degrees. It just doesn't work that way. You are not looking at the physiology of a punch...you are looking at physical theory of a piece of lead shot or other object that is not reliant upon muscles, angles where body weight can be put behind it or the framework of the shoulder. Human anatomy and physiology of the punch prevent the overhand right from having the same ability as a straight right to deliver the same amount of power (ft/lbs of force). I'm not saying it isn't an effective punch but the original question being one of power delivered to a target...the overhand right is NOT more powerful than a straight right.



repetitio said:
The overhand right travels a greater distance so it should be more powerful.
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KarateIs4Real said:
i was hanging out at a bar tonight, and at some point the discussion of proper punching form arose. While i concede that a straight right hand is proper form, it is undeniable that a windmill (chuck lidell style) overhand is the more powerful punch. The windmill is more powerful because it involves the entire body (shoulders, hips, arms...) and increases the radius of the punch, therefore increasing the angular velocity e.g. momentum. My friend maintains that the straight right hand is more powerful because of its ability to distribute force upon impact. I'm sure everyone on this forum has witnessed the superiority of the overhand right, please respond to this thread with your support so i can forward this to my friend and prove him wrong.
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tHE OVERHAND RIGHT is a power punch, I do Muay tai mainly i don't do ground cause of torn acl and refuse to get a second surgury but anyway when i spar i leave my self open for one of those from time to time and damn when it connects it stunns you and it hurts, a rookie can throw and if it lands it will stunn u but if u are like chuck and u perfect it, it's one dangerous punch, a good counter is to step out side of and go to the body but if u keep throwing it u will land it once
 
Godzilla3232 said:
Uppercut is an upward motion, hence it obviously doesn't build velocity. To build velocity you have to be traveling with gravity. I guess I just assumed people would know that without me saying it. An overhand winds up and loops into the air creating velocity with the downward arc.

Everything builds velocity when moving with gravity. A straight right moving perpendicular to gravitational pull can't build the same momentum.
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You obviosly have never been rooked in the chin. I don't think the power of gravity ads so much more force to a overhand, I mean Crocops LHK comes from deep down so while he lifts his leg the force of gravity puls it back thowards the ground but still the kick is stronger then Chucks overhand.
You shouldn't try to explain everything scientific because the stuff you learned in school was about somthing else then punching. The circumstances of throwing punches are diferent then the "apple falls down the tree cause of the force of gravity"stuff you learned in school.
 
Godzilla3232 said:
Overhand right is more powerful because it generates more velocity (has a bigger range of motion). It's a lot slower then a straight right though..
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So it generates more velocity, but is slower??
:eek:
(I think I know what you mean though)

I think the OP should try the boxing forum.

People are now saying the OHR is harder to see coming? The straight right is thrown from the chin, the OHR need "winding up", its a telegraphed punch. The OHR works well in kickboxing/MMA as a counter to a leg kick (when the guard drops) or sneaking around a Muay Thai style guard or low hands...in boxing the straight right is more likely to get through your opponents guard...in boxing you can counter the OHR.
 
i agree a well thrown overhand right can generate more power then a straight right, both can end a fight, and its good to have both in your arsenal IMO
 
An overhanded punch is also known as a haymaker. We all know that the haymaker is the more powerful punch.
 
Drake Kurgan said:
Using this theory....Moe Howard from the three stooges should generate the most power from those looping punches where he gets curly to hit his fist and it loops 360degrees. It just doesn't work that way. You are not looking at the physiology of a punch...you are looking at physical theory of a piece of lead shot or other object that is not reliant upon muscles, angles where body weight can be put behind it or the framework of the shoulder. Human anatomy and physiology of the punch prevent the overhand right from having the same ability as a straight right to deliver the same amount of power (ft/lbs of force). I'm not saying it isn't an effective punch but the original question being one of power delivered to a target...the overhand right is NOT more powerful than a straight right.
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The rotation of the body is the same; if anything more power is transferred to the punch because it stays further away from the body and the forearm stays at a right angle from the underarm meaning more of the rotational force is used.
 
drgonzoatmpls said:
you win, i concede victory, i'm laughing to hard to continue
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Witness the power of the OHR! :cool:

If you think about how the glove is held when you punch it, more than likely your coach held it just in front of his chest for the straight and braced himself, but moved it slightly out from his body for an OHR. He would have had his body behind the straight, but just his arm behind the OH. I would say there was more resistance for the straight punch and that would account for a higher reading.

Of course everyones different (I would say my left hook is more powerful than my straight right...some would say a cool summer breeze is more powerful than my straight right) but we have to make generalizations to answer the question.
 
You have an interesting theory. It is wrong. The power (foot pounds of force) is lost because the shoulder and body weight are not fully behind the overhand punch. The physiology of a punch when full and proper technique is used prevents the OR from ever being as powerful as a SR. You go outside the frame of the body where the same stability of the body cannot be used then the punch fails to be as powerful.

John Wayne and the old west haymakers are NOT as powerful as someone doing a straight right and the "Moe, Larry, Curly Proof" still applies.

With proper technique, I agree, the rotation is the same. There is an arc which makes the distance greater. <--We agree there BUT The ability of the body to be put behind the punch is NOT and the ability of the arm at ANY arc is reduced in the transferance of Power.

Again, I'm not arguing that an OR is not a powerful punch. I'm arguing that it is PHYSIOLOGICALLY INCAPABLE of being a more powerful punch.

Regards,

Drake

repetitio said:
The rotation of the body is the same; if anything more power is transferred to the punch because it stays further away from the body and the forearm stays at a right angle from the underarm meaning more of the rotational force is used.
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Watch Lennox's fights he has a great overhand right. He's known for it. He KO'd Mike Tyson with in badly in their fight.
 
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