Hector Lombard has a case...shots were late but not entirely his fault.

Silver tongue samurai said:
LOL wtf bro. late is late.

"That late"
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He started the sequence before the buzzer. Not that late. It's not like it was some cheap shot. What was cheap was the Weidman-like faking/exaggeration of damage.

And this coming from a guy who normally cheers when Lombard loses.
 
Lombard has a case for retirement.
0-5 last five.
 
I love and hate Lombard fans so much, you guys act like he isn't a huge bully and cheater.

You're surprised?
 
VIPERdude said:
Ultimately the referee is to blame yet again. In other words the ref needs to be in place after the 10 second count down to the bell. The ref needs to be ready to insert himself in between the fighters as the horn sounds. The ref failed to do so in Lombard vs Dollaway

According to the rules...When the bell sounds, whenever that happens that’s just indication to stop the round (obviously) but according to the ABC (Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports) “That’s not the signal for the exact end of the round. That is when the referee needs to make sure he is in position and everything is in place to stop the action as close to that horn as possible.”
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Just like we give fighters credit for having lightning reflexes and reaction times and are able to think quickly under pressure, you also have to give blame for those same reflexes when they make a bad decision. If you look at the sequence, it is almost as if, when he hears the horn, he tries to sneak those shots in. That is why he immediately "waves off" the situation and turns around to walk away. To blame the ref by saying you only threw until the ref stepped in is chickenshit. How many times have we seen fighters bouncing another fighter's head off the canvas even after the guy is clearly out but the ref jumps in late. Do the fighters not "know" that their opponent is out? That is a "faulty ref" situation but the bell can CLEARLY be heard by all participants most of the time.
 
tommi462 said:
He started the sequence before the buzzer. Not that late. It's not like it was some cheap shot. What was cheap was the Weidman-like faking/exaggeration of damage.


And this coming from a guy who normally cheers when Lombard loses.
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My man, the kick was caught as the buzzer sounded. The counters came after the buzzer.both punches. You can hear the ref yelling as well to stop as the first punch lands

Just rewatch its pretty clear. Whether reaction (which i get. Drilling counters builds that automatic response) or on purpose (looked like he was just trying to get a last combo in). It was late. How late really doesnt matter

ANY shot after the buzzer that you are aware of in my opinion is a cheap shot(you count on the other guy lowering defense because the round "ended")
 
He got caught in the moment but that shits not getting overturned.the second punch sealed it.
 
I agree.

It was the right thing to do to stop the fight. I think it’s unfortunate the way it ended but I don’t think hector is a bad guy for what he did
 
JoshOBreocco said:
I love and hate Lombard fans so much, you guys act like he isn't a huge bully and cheater.

You're surprised?
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Yeah he's hard to like I'd agree but I have sympathy with him here and indeed generally with guys who have opponents milk strikes that land an instant after the horn. As has been mentioned the horn is not the absolute end of the round its the moment fighters should stop taking offensive action, if you stop defending the instant you hear it then frankly your making an error and its your problem is you get caught by something thrown an instant before.
 
CB was waiting for the last second to place that kick, and HL was timing a leg catch plus 1-2 counter.

The things is, when fighters drill these counters they become semi-automatic. The trigger and the decision were clearly before the bell, but part of the execution was after the bell.
 
VIPERdude said:
Ultimately the referee is to blame yet again. In other words the ref needs to be in place after the 10 second count down to the bell. The ref needs to be ready to insert himself in between the fighters as the horn sounds. The ref failed to do so in Lombard vs Dollaway

According to the rules...When the bell sounds, whenever that happens that’s just indication to stop the round (obviously) but according to the ABC (Association of Boxing Commissions and Combative Sports) “That’s not the signal for the exact end of the round. That is when the referee needs to make sure he is in position and everything is in place to stop the action as close to that horn as possible.”
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Can you provide a link to the rules you're referencing? I'm looking at the Unified Rules of MMA on the UFC's site, and the only things I see regarding that are that only the referee is allowed to stop the contest (that is, the fight, not the round - Section 13), and that it's a foul to attack the opponent after the bell (the bell, not the referee's verbal or physical indication - Section 15.A.xxv).

Besides, I may be remembering incorrectly, but I'm fairly certain the ref was yelling "Time time TIME" after the bell and before Lombard finished (or possibly even started) his combination.
 
I think this is pretty much bullshit!!

Does anyone remember Holm vs. De Ranime (spelling)? Multiple rounds of shots after the bell, no DQ or points taken if I remember correctly.
 
moreorless87 said:
Yeah he's hard to like I'd agree but I have sympathy with him here and indeed generally with guys who have opponents milk strikes that land an instant after the horn. As has been mentioned the horn is not the absolute end of the round its the moment fighters should stop taking offensive action, if you stop defending the instant you hear it then frankly your making an error and its your problem is you get caught by something thrown an instant before.
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I hear what you're saying but I think it looked intentional, I still respect your opinion, but known dirty fighters are more likely to get DQ'd in this situation
 
Gamer2k4 said:
Can you provide a link to the rules you're referencing? I'm looking at the Unified Rules of MMA on the UFC's site, and the only things I see regarding that are that only the referee is allowed to stop the contest (that is, the fight, not the round - Section 13), and that it's a foul to attack the opponent after the bell (the bell, not the referee's verbal or physical indication - Section 15.A.xxv).

Besides, I may be remembering incorrectly, but I'm fairly certain the ref was yelling "Time time TIME" after the bell and before Lombard finished (or possibly even started) his combination.
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Herb Dean is trash
 
Gamer2k4 said:
Can you provide a link to the rules you're referencing? I'm looking at the Unified Rules of MMA on the UFC's site, and the only things I see regarding that are that only the referee is allowed to stop the contest (that is, the fight, not the round - Section 13), and that it's a foul to attack the opponent after the bell (the bell, not the referee's verbal or physical indication - Section 15.A.xxv).

Besides, I may be remembering incorrectly, but I'm fairly certain the ref was yelling "Time time TIME" after the bell and before Lombard finished (or possibly even started) his combination.
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Yup. Started saying it after the caught kick. Lombtard threw the second punch after like two or three "time"(s) were/was called. My whole thing is ot was a two punch counter after the bell rang after the kick was caught. One punch okay i mean i guess reaction but the bell and the ref stepping in saying time should have been enough. Like you said the rules make it pretty clear whats to happen with this situation
 
Gamer2k4 said:
The referee was Mark Smith. Not all black people are Herb Dean.
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Don’t make it about black.

Why was Herb Dean in the Octagon during the decision to stop the fight? Giving Mark Smith his opinion?
 
7th said:
Should be overturned. I didn't like CB faking how hurt he was with his exaggerated wobbling, asking what happened after telling the ref he thought he said stop, which shows he knew what was going on. Lombard was in the act of throwing those shots right at the bell. A nc would have been more appropriate, or a tko for Lombard.
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Do you also feel that shots taken in basketball a couple of seconds after the buzzer sounds should be counted as baskets?

Pretty straightforward DQ.

The real question is if Lombard is going to be kicked out of the UFC like Palhares was for ignoring the ref with his locks. The ref called 'stop' twice and was ignored.
 
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