Crime Headlining Crime Megathread Vol 4.

[Clifford_Harris]

Because in Detroit where there are a majority black people this kind of thing happens all the time, and 10 miles away in areas with trailer parks and majority white people it doesn’t happen.. There was a thread the other week that went to Australia to find a video of a white guy punching a squared up black man who actually worked in security; THAT was supposed to be “proof of something” lol. Well you can find 1,496 videos of the reverse here in America.

Look dude, acknowledge how huge of a problem urban black crime culture is, AND how it’s glossed over as a media narrative in favor of pretending those that DO NOT have a huge crime problem being the ones with “the problem.” It’s straight up backwards think, and you 100% know it on some level, but you WANT to pretend it’s real like way too many other African descended Americans.

There being this huge black crime problem isn't something that has been glossed over by the media, it's something I've seen covered well over 20 years. I've seen Congressmen protesting and targeting hip hop music because they believed it caused or exacerbated inner city crime. The term "black-on-black" crime was invented and marketed just for what you describe as something that doesn't get covered.

The high black crime rate doesn't make this particular crime racist, I didn't hear anything in the video that indicates the white guy was attacked for being white which would have made this crime a racist one. As it stands it's a carjacking where the victim was shot and released from the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. What about that incident would warrant national coverage? Would you think it would be deserving of national news coverage if these were all black people involved?

 

[The_Renaissance]

There being this huge black crime problem isn't something that has been glossed over by the media, it's something I've seen covered well over 20 years. I've seen Congressmen protesting and targeting hip hop music because they believed it caused or exacerbated inner city crime. The term "black-on-black" crime was invented and marketed just for what you describe as something that doesn't get covered.

The high black crime rate doesn't make this particular crime racist, I didn't hear anything in the video that indicates the white guy was attacked for being white which would have made this crime a racist one. As it stands it's a carjacking where the victim was shot and released from the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. What about that incident would warrant national coverage? Would you think it would be deserving of national news coverage if these were all black people involved?

I'm not surprised, because it really, really does.

Bombard black kids with lyrics about "gettin' bitches and slingin' dope" while bragging about shooting gang rivals, and don't be surprised when you have a generation of young black kids idolising criminals and the criminal lifestyle. Especially when a lot of those young black kids have grown up without a father / role model.......they will look to financially successful black men, as a role model. IE - Rappers.

 

[Clifford_Harris]

I'm not surprised, because it really, really does.

Bombard black kids with lyrics about "gettin' bitches and slingin' dope" while bragging about shooting gang rivals, and don't be surprised when you have a generation of young black kids idolising criminals and the criminal lifestyle. Especially when a lot of those young black kids have grown up without a father / role model.......they will look to financially successful black men, as a role model. IE - Rappers.

Lol same shit was happening in the 70s before a single rap song was ever produced. Tookie was doing drive-bys listening to the Isley Brothers. Art is imitating life not the other way around.

 

[Loiosh]

What is it with American and slavery. Other countries imported and had more slaves then the US.

"almost 11 million Africans were enslaved during the trans-Atlantic slave trade between 1514 and 1866. While only 300,000 arrived in the U.S. directly, more came to the present-day U.S. via the intra-American slave trade. It is estimated that 4.5 million enslaved Africans arrived in the Caribbean while another 3.2 million disembarked in present-day Brazil. In total, 20 million Africans were forced to leave their continent during the times of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the trans-Saharan, the red sea and the Indian slave trade.

The most active European nation in the trans-Atlantic slave trade was Portugal, which used the forced labor of Africans in their Latin American colonies in present-day Brazil. Almost 3.9 million enslaved Africans were forced to embark on Portuguese ships. Present-day Brazil received around 3.2 of them, making it the country in the Americas where most enslaved people arrived"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...tries-most-active-trans-atlantic-slave-trade/

Yes we had slavery and fought a war with it being the root cause of that war. Yes there is still some racism among the people of this country and its a problem within all races here to a small degree.

Despite what the left wants to scream racism is not the mayor cause of crime in the US now. Yes past racism has an effect but this present-day shit the left is pushing is going to make the problems much worse not better.

By 1866 the land of the free had more than four million slaves. For more than a century after emancipation, african americans were denied the ability to accumulate wealth, shepherded onto the worst land, denied loans and refused the ability to create banks. For a very long time red lining and "black codes" served to keep them impoverished and available as a cheap source of labor.

There's a mountain of literature out there and I could go on. You say the left is making things worse, I say the right is playing to racism by telling Americans things are all better now. You don't break a man's knees, drag him to the starting line, and tell him it's a fair race. Things are better, but we're generations away from them being good.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Horseshit. It's a consequence of their culture.

Take within a 10 mile radius of my house. Shootings are up 600% in one town, homicides up 800% in another.

I challenge you to find me one Asian/South Asian person committing these crimes. I challenge you to find me one Muslim person committing these crimes.

Unfucking believable ...

"A consequence of their condition "

I wonder if @Slick_36 would employ this same argument regarding aggravated rape.

Amazing the lengths that some will go to excuse certain behavior

 

[Slick_36]

Unfucking believable ...

"A consequence of their condition "

I wonder if @Slick_36 would employ this same argument regarding aggravated rape.

Amazing the lengths that some will go to excuse certain behavior

I would. That doesn't make it any less of a problem and it certainly isn't an excuse, it just means there are different ways of solving those problems. The solution to law enforcement problems are a lot more direct than the possible solutions for general crime. There are qualifications for an officer, there's a hiring process, there's a different level of responsibility and duty. We can directly control those things.

There's no hiring process for a thief, they come about usually because of a lack of opportunity. You'll hear this and think I am saying it's not they're fault, they absolutely have a choice and should be held accountable. But if you really care about reducing crime, that might mean making an effort to repair areas that are broken.

 

[Slick_36]

Horseshit. It's a consequence of their culture.

Take within a 10 mile radius of my house. Shootings are up 600% in one town, homicides up 800% in another.

I challenge you to find me one Asian/South Asian person committing these crimes. I challenge you to find me one Muslim person committing these crimes.

Does culture arise out of a vacuum? I hear all the time about Muslim violence and there certainly are Asian gangbangers. But Asians tend to be a lot more financially secure in America and you see that reflected in those crime rates. You just show a complete lack of nuance to a very complicated subject.

 

[bobgeese]

I would. That doesn't make it any less of a problem and it certainly isn't an excuse, it just means there are different ways of solving those problems. The solution to law enforcement problems are a lot more direct than the possible solutions for general crime. There are qualifications for an officer, there's a hiring process, there's a different level of responsibility and duty. We can directly control those things.

There's no hiring process for a thief, they come about usually because of a lack of opportunity. You'll hear this and think I am saying it's not they're fault, they absolutely have a choice and should be held accountable. But if you really care about reducing crime, that might mean making an effort to repair areas that are broken.

I'm guessing you don't actually know any criminals.


PS, it's a culture that is rotting because people like you refuse to hold criminals accountable.

 

[Slick_36]

I'm guessing you don't actually know any criminals.


PS, it's a culture that is rotting because people like you refuse to hold criminals accountable.

I have family & friends in the military and law enforcement, and I have family & friends in and out of the prison system. I'd like to say I've seen both sides up close and from a distance.

I literally just said they still need to be held accountable. I just think that the root of the problem is their conditions and we can reduce crime by improving and investing in those conditions for the future.

 

[oldshadow]

By 1866 the land of the free had more than four million slaves. For more than a century after emancipation, african americans were denied the ability to accumulate wealth, shepherded onto the worst land, denied loans and refused the ability to create banks. For a very long time red lining and "black codes" served to keep them impoverished and available as a cheap source of labor.

There's a mountain of literature out there and I could go on. You say the left is making things worse, I say the right is playing to racism by telling Americans things are all better now. You don't break a man's knees, drag him to the starting line, and tell him it's a fair race. Things are better, but we're generations away from them being good.

And if you read the link you would see the US was down the list in countries for slave population.

Yes there is still things or more to the point some people that still need work. However blaming racism for all the problems is being simple minded.
And yes the current climate pushed by the left as far as race in this country is doing more to great problems then fix them.
Whe you insult the minority you are try to help ( if that's their goal) then also do your best to insult and drive a wedge with the majority, you will fail. This also applies to the gay and trans and how that is being pushed.

 

[oldshadow]

I have family & friends in the military and law enforcement, and I have family & friends in and out of the prison system. I'd like to say I've seen both sides up close and from a distance.

I literally just said they still need to be held accountable. I just think that the root of the problem is their conditions and we can reduce crime by improving and investing in those conditions for the future.

Yes we can but how is the question. Throwing money doesn't work, blaming other people doesn't work.

Education and work is the time tested way to raise people up and out. First you have to convince the parents of this and then you have to make the hard decision. Like you can't fix people that don't want to be fixed. Some people need to be isolated from the rest if and until they want the change.

 

[Slick_36]

Yes we can but how is the question. Throwing money doesn't work, blaming other people doesn't work.

Education and work is the time tested way to raise people up and out. First you have to convince the parents of this and then you have to make the hard decision. Like you can't fix people that don't want to be fixed. Some people need to be isolated from the rest if and until they want the change.

So say we increase our policing, put even more fathers and mothers in jail. How does that impact those kids who still have a choice? They've got single parents, if they're lucky, and those parents are working multiple jobs to get by. They don't have time to give the kids attention and struggle to make sure they're taken care of at all. These are in areas where there isn't a lot of opportunity, and the most desirable occupation they see is in crime.

It's a cycle, and it's a cycle that was kicked off in a racist time with racist intentions. Just throwing money at problems isn't a viable solution, but that doesn't mean you should give up because those people are helpless. It means you reassess the game plan.

 

[bobgeese]

I have family & friends in the military and law enforcement, and I have family & friends in and out of the prison system. I'd like to say I've seen both sides up close and from a distance.

I literally just said they still need to be held accountable. I just think that the root of the problem is their conditions and we can reduce crime by improving and investing in those conditions for the future.

In "their conditions". You mean too lazy/stupid to get a job like every other normal productive member of society?

 

[Loiosh]

And if you read the link you would see the US was down the list in countries for slave population.

Yes there is still things or more to the point some people that still need work. However blaming racism for all the problems is being simple minded.
And yes the current climate pushed by the left as far as race in this country is doing more to great problems then fix them.
Whe you insult the minority you are try to help ( if that's their goal) then also do your best to insult and drive a wedge with the majority, you will fail. This also applies to the gay and trans and how that is being pushed.

I read the link, which I had seen before, and looked deeper. Also, that wasn't a list of populations, it was a list of trans Atlantic slave import specifically and not a count of actual population. Jefferson prohibited import at the turn of the century and the vast majority of slaves in America were born there. It's a sneaky bit of propaganda the right has been circulating for a while which is why I pointed out the actual population of four million. Numbers don't lie, but the people who present them often do.

Also, nobody ever said America was the only country with slaves or even the worst. Is that really the bar, though? Other people were worse?

I don't think they should worry about driving wedges or hurting feelings. You say it's making things worse but every single step forward the black community has taken has had to do that. Seems to me the percentage of the population that clings to the old world and is offended by this keeps getting smaller and smaller. There's always going to be pushback and Trump, an infamous incompetent, rode to the presidency on the back or racist, isolationist rhetoric, so it's going to be a bumpy road. Maybe it has to be.

Race isn't the only issue in western society or even the biggest, but it's important. People are always going to fight racism and people are always going to oppose that fight. The legacy of slavery and Jim Crow is still with us, and things definitely aren't "all good now".

Nothing in American history excuses crime, ever. Commit the crime, do the time. Just make sure you're incarcerating people at the same rate regardless of color, and [too many things to adequately describe in this post].

 

[Slick_36]

In "their conditions". You mean too lazy/stupid to get a job like every other normal productive member of society?

 

[bobgeese]

Concession accepted

 

[Slick_36]

Concession accepted

Buddy, that response was not worthy of anything but a derisive gif. You're either a child or painfully autistic.

 

[bobgeese]

Buddy, that response was not worthy of anything but a derisive gif. You're either a child or painfully autistic.

Your lack of response, is due to you not being able to deny it. There are plenty of jobs. Everyone in America is entitled to a free education.

Some people are just too stupid/lazy to be productive citizens. They would rather be criminals.

POS like you enable them.

 

[Slick_36]

Your lack of response, is due to you not being able to deny it. There are plenty of jobs. Everyone in America is entitled to a free education.

Some people are just too stupid/lazy to be productive citizens. They would rather be criminals.

POS like you enable them.

Where did I enable or excuse them?

 

[bobgeese]

Where did I enable or excuse them?

"Their conditions"


Too lazy to get a job you mean.