Haven't tapped anyone yet...

[hayliks]

Lol what? No way... I competed and placed with only 3 months training, i tapped someone on my first day training. And I've seen lots of guys tap other newbies withing their first few classes.

then you train at a crappy school. I only tapped people quick because of 8 years of wrestling experience

 

[Cardio King]

I have never won a tournament match by submission. Positional dominance ftw.

 

[cmburns]

you probably shouldn't be tapping anybody for at least 6 months, even newbies

I don't get it. I'm a newbie and have been tapped out by other newbies and even tapped some out myself. Are you saying that we should roll with each other but not try to tap each other out?

Unlike that other guy though, I only started tapping guys often in my third week of training. Going 5 days a week probably helped too.

 

[krait]

I don't get it. I'm a newbie and have been tapped out by other newbies and even tapped some out myself. Are you saying that we should roll with each other but not try to tap each other out?

Unlike that other guy though, I only started tapping guys often in my third week of training. Going 5 days a week probably helped too.

Now this is just a personal opinion from my own experience. I did it myself and had to go back and spend time to correct bad habits I developed. I had done some ground training at a JKD school(Our JKD instructor and some of the guys other guys were blues already) before joining a BJJ school so I was a little ahead of the curve so to speak than other whitebelts. So in the beginning yes I tapped quite a few of them. But after awhile when I started to train more with the blues and purples all of these bad habits I'd fallen into starting really show up.

If you are a true beginner without any other background in grappling your initial time should be spent on getting down the fundamentals of postions, sweeps, and escapes. As a new person you have to be careful you don't fall into the habit of chasing the "tap out". You can get away with it now against others who are new but in the quest for the tap out you can skip past some fundamentals and develop some sloppy habits that work on the new whitebelt level but not when you start rolling agaianst more experienced people.



This doesn't mean pull guard and hold it for the entire round. It means work your sweeps, position transitions from side to knee on belly to mount back to side etc. Put yourself in a bad position and work escapes.

 

[Altephor]

Well most of the people I am rolling with are not at my skill level, they are above it. Most of the guys newer than me don't stay for open mat time. So I've really only been free rolling with 3 people on a regular basis.

One has about 2 months more training than I do, so he's closest to my level, but he learns fairly quickly. We're about the same size but he has better sense of position and escapes than I do. I have noticed a marked improvement against him, the first time I rolled with him he just threw me around like I was nothing, and lately I have been lasting much longer against him and have gotten close to some subs but not actually finished. He loves to use kimuras and americanas, which I haven't been taught to defend against really other than keeping my arms in which is an issue for me that I am working on.

The second is a guy who's been training for probably at least a year, maybe more. I believe he is a blue belt but I rarely seem him come to the gi class, he's competed before and done pretty well. He's about 15 lbs heavier than me and right now he just wipes the floor with me.

And the third guy I doubt I'll ever come close to beating. Purple belt, about half a foot taller than me and outweighs me by at least 70-80 lbs, and he's not fat either. Mostly I just roll with him to practice from certain positions or to drill in real(er) time with some resistance against me. Also it's nice to try out things on a heavy guy to see if I can actually pull them off.



So I mean, it's not that I suck terribly and can't tap a newbie or something, I'm just always sparring with people above my level. I'm sure if I rolled with the two girls that came in last week I could tap them all day (that.. doesn't sound right).

Obviously, I'm not worried about losing in a tourny, I know I would just get destroyed. I think it might be a good learning experience, and like you guys said it would be nice to be able to go all out on someone. I do have that issue in classes, that I'm friends with the people I roll with so when I try subs or anything I suppose subconsciously I am not sinking them with full speed or pressure. I don't feel the adrenaline or any fear of getting hurt so I guess I don't put in my full potential, which is wrong.

Mainly, I want to compete to learn, but I don't want to pay the competition fees to be submitted in the first 30 seconds, because I won't learn anything from that.

 

[jjwvic]

what is the level of ppl your rolling with...if you haven't even tapped another white after two months then i wouldn't waste your money entering the tournament.

 

[FWTG]

you probably shouldn't be tapping anybody for at least 6 months, even newbies

That sounds excessive. If I didnt tap anyone in my first 6 months I probably would have quit. lol

 

[Altephor]

I think most of my problem comes from the fact that I am a very process oriented person. So I have problems seeing possible submissions unless I am in the same position and my opponent makes the same move as we did in drills. Whereas my aforementioned friend will just find things and go for them. Plus I am severely inflexible so even light submissions on things like my shoulders or arms make me tap.

 

[Calvo]

Why pay $90 or whatever it is then lose in 10 seconds?

Save your money.

 

[furdog]

Why you still posting when you've been demonstrated as a liar?

 

[DTM]

I am entering my first tourny on the 9th. Ive been training about 4 months. I went to a tourny last month and it looked like fun. Its double elimination so I will get at least two matches in.
Beginner is supposed to be less than 1 year of training, I really hope people dont sandbag, thats just stupid, but Im sure it happens.

I think you should go watch one to see if its something you want to try. Then I think you have to be comfortable with the fact that you could just get dominated, I hope I dont, but it could happen.

I do tap people in practice, only other white belts unless one of the higher belts has already tapped me and is just being cool letting me work on my subs. There are a lot of people at my gym though and we get waves of new people that come in for a few days right after fights air on TV.

 

[Will_N.O.]

I did my first touney in June with about 2.5 months.

Whether you should compete that early is a cost / benefit thing. If there's a local competition that's not too expensive, I would definitely recommend competing. Even if you get first-rounded, the experience of having been there & done that I think will help the nerves the next time you compete. For me, the tourney was in town and $40, so it was a no-brainer.

Whether that experience would be worth driving all day and $100 registration fees is IMO pretty doubtful.

If you do decide to compete, I wouldn't worry about your subs unless you are a phenom. How are your TAKEDOWNS? If you don't have any judo or wrestling background, I would focus on your game starting from standing...because if you aren't solid there, you are probably going to get taken down into side control and spend the rest of the match in total defensive mode.

 

[Altephor]

Why you still posting when you've been demonstrated as a liar?

Who's a liar? Better not be referring to me.

 

[Yojimbo]

Sounds like you're the man cool guy. Good to hear you're dominating everyone but not dominating everyone at the same time. Looks like you enjoy to talk from both sides of your mouth. Hear is the post I'm referencing:



You must be a master of psychology with your amazing skills to manipulate people to "freak out". You sure seem to stay alot and nothing at the same time. Good luck with that buddy.

pwnt

 

[Yojimbo]

I say if you have the money to spend then you should DEFINITELY enter the tournament. You want to get rid of the high anxiety that comes with competing in your first few tournaments. Plus if you get subbed in your first match, odds are you will be able to look at how you lost and start fixing that hole in your game. Aside from making your wallet lighter, competing can only be a good thing for your game.

 

[CerebralPrimate]

Just curious... when you enter a tourney, is it done entirely by belt level? Or is it done by size + belt level?

Seems bit unfair to maybe put two white belts together just because they're white belts... what if there's a 100 pound weight difference?


-CP

p.s. Sorry to TS... not trying to hijack your thread, bro... just wonderin'...

 

[Yojimbo]

Just curious... when you enter a tourney, is it done entirely by belt level? Or is it done by size + belt level?

Seems bit unfair to maybe put two white belts together just because they're white belts... what if there's a 100 pound weight difference?


-CP

p.s. Sorry to TS... not trying to hijack your thread, bro... just wonderin'...

Yes, there are usually weight classes as well as an open weight division.

 

[Dick]

then you train at a crappy school. I only tapped people quick because of 8 years of wrestling experience

Or maybe you train at the crappy school if it's taking your beginners 2+ months to first tap someone...

If two newbies go at it, someones going to get tapped..

 

[CerebralPrimate]

Yes, there are usually weight classes as well as an open weight division.

Thanks for the info... always wondered about that.

The only close-by tourneys here still require plane travel and Entry/Exit Visas. I'll jump through those hoops at some point, I'm sure. But haven't done so yet.


-CP

 

[RogueStatus650]

someone had me in a triangle.. it was pretty deep, at one point i felt like tapping but i actually ended up getting out of it, was that smart of me to do?

i feel like i shouldve tapped but at the same time i feel good that i didnt because i wasnt panicking, i just used my broad shoulders to help me out.