Has wmma regressed?

Ares Black said:
It's also tough when you watch a high pace high skill action packed Strawweight banger and then the next fight is a slo-mo HW slopfest.
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I fully agree. That OSP vs Kennedy fight at LHW was brutal. I'm a fan of all Martial Arts so I'll watch them all but I'm gonna complain when they're sooooo bad...
 
barillas said:
Holly still fights championship contests, this says a lot about the depth of the talent pool in WMMA
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Holly’s last TS was 4.5 years ago. When she was 37. Loads of fighters have gotten TS at that age, and beyond. How could you totally blow such a basic fact? I suspect it’s just you being dishonest. It happens around here a lot, though.

As for the OP.. Ronda and Cyborg were massive one trick ponies. One is a proven ped user that just outmuscles, and punches very hard, while beating up smaller women. The other can’t punch to save her life, against anybody that can actually punch back.

Rocky was on a 5 fight winning streak. And just won the vacant title by beating a girl that popped after her last fight. Her win over Holly was overturned. MBS was suspended 6 months for it. How does the UFC deal with the situation? Give the popper a TS. Fucking brilliant. Thankfully Rocky beat MBS 49-46. She deserves respect, not derision. She has paid her dues for a long time.

Like many divisions, when a long time champ leaves the division or retires. There can be a state of flux. There can be upheaval. We might get that at WBW. It wouldn’t surprise me. I’m especially looking torward to the return of the Iron Lady. Will she be even close to what she was when she took a hiatus to have a baby? If she is that should be interesting. That doesn’t mean they all suck. For example..

How many men have won the MW title in the last couple of years? Izzy, Alex, Izzy, Strickland, and Dricus. Alex never defended. Izzy the second time didn’t defend. Strickland lost too. Now let’s see what Dricus does?

LHW in the last 3 years. Jan, Glover, Jiri, Hill, and Alex. Only Jan has successfully defended so far.

Joanna retired after a long very successful career in the UFC. Amanda did the same thing. Leaving as a double champ. Ronda retired from mma, too.

To talk about people retiring and then saying the divisions suck because of it is lame. Considering it happens in every division. Ebb, and flow.. Such is all life, let alone sports in general, and mma.

There is a lot of talent in SW, and finally in FLW. But just because you look down on BW, doesn’t mean Rocky hasn’t accomplished a long time dream. That she worked really hard for physically, and mentally. And she deserves to be proud. Her life has never been better. And I find it really hard to hate on good people for no reason. I don’t hold the success of others against them. I’m happy for Rocky. Btw.. I picked her to win.

Maybe that’s the problem. The ped popper lost very clearly. So Rocky, and the division sucks, right? Parts of SD love their ped cheats.

Wmma has, and will continue to progress. I just don’t think some of you know enough about mma, to even comment without looking foolish.

Hey TS.. DJ is gone. Cruz has been mostly gone for a long time already (injuries). Penn, and Khabib are gone. GSP, and Hughes are gone. Silva is gone, too. Jones is out of LHW, and trying to fight gone for 3 years, Stipe.

By your logic.. MMA as a whole has regressed. Those are the divisional GOATs. And not too many people would pick anybody today to beat those fighters in their prime.
 
WMMA is the new breed
New breed never regresses
I think a lot of the women fights are getting better
Sometimes she goes, sometimes she doesn’t
 
TempleoftheDog said:
Holly’s last TS was 4.5 years ago. When she was 37. Loads of fighters have gotten TS at that age, and beyond. How could you totally blow such a basic fact? I suspect it’s just you being dishonest. It happens around here a lot, though.
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How should I know if I don't give a damn about it? I just see Holly's name around a lot. You're the one being dishonest in comparing the trash that is WMMA to normal MMA
 
Cartiac said:
Ok, elbows too pointy guy. How the fuck did Amanda Nunes benefit from shallow divisions when she 1st round KO'ed Ronda, Cyborg, Holm, choked out Meisha in one round, KO'ed Raquel, and beat Valentina twice?
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Ronda who put up all the resistance of a particularly immobile heavy bag? Cyborg who uncharacteristically brawled and got caught (and was never given a rematch)? Holm who was in the middle of a 5-7 run? Tate who was kicking off a 2-4 run? Pennington who is the reason TS asked if the division has regressed? Valentina who's two weight classes below her and still took her to a split decision?

And what about all the names you didn't mention, because they were even worse wins? Names like Pena, who actually did beat Nunes? Like Anderson, who gave her about as much of a fight as a scared child? Like Spencer, who went 3-3 in the UFC before retiring? McMann who ended up going 8-7 in the UFC? Maybe Baszler, who I don't even need to elaborate on?
 
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Gamer2k4 said:
Ronda who put up all the resistance of a particularly immobile heavy bag? Cyborg who uncharacteristically brawled and got caught (and was never given a rematch)? Holm who was in the middle of a 5-7 run? Tate who was kicking off a 2-4 run? Pennington who is the reason TS asked if the division has regressed? Valentina who's two weight classes below her and took her to a split decision?

And what about all the names you didn't mention, because they were even worse wins? Names like Pena, who actually did beat Nunes? Like Anderson, who gave her about as much of a fight as a scared child?
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Thanks bro, I've been acting a fool in this thread, but that response takes the cake. I can't compete with that level of stupidity.
 
Cartiac said:
Thanks bro, I've been acting a fool in this thread, but that response takes the cake. I can't compete with that level of stupidity.
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Ah yes, that compelling debate strategy of calling someone stupid and running away. Has that worked for you before?
 
The fact that significantly fewer women practice MMA than men reveals much about the depth of talent we will see in the women's version of the sport and its rate of evolution. It's a matter of numbers: a larger base of athletes invariably leads to a richer tapestry of skills, strategies, and innovations. I am not even addressing the specific physical differences between the genders.
WMMA didn't enter the UFC because of an organic demand but mostly because of one fighter. Now that she's gone the UFC is left with a product that has a very low demand.
 
Cartiac said:
Thanks bro, I've been acting a fool in this thread, but that response takes the cake. I can't compete with that level of stupidity.
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Those WMMA guys are lunatics living in a bubble
 
It is just 135. They stopped investing in it once Nunes came on the scene. They released half of their athletes and didn't sign new ones.
 
Marko Polo said:
In days of old we had the likes of Cyborg, Ronda, Amanda Nunez, Joanna Jerdreszyck. Today we have Raqel Pennington as champ..
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Nicco Montano and Carla Esparza won the inaugural titles from TUF, and Esparza was able to win back that same title eight years later.

Over 2/3 of Cyborg's opponents were Flyweights and Bantamweights, so how exactly is that a peak for WMMA?

Women's Bantamweight (and above) has always had laughably horrible depth, even when Rousey/Nunes were champions; Women's Bantamweight had 20 ranked fighters (worldwide) when Rousey was given her UFC title and that same division only went up to 35 ranked fighters when Pennington won the title (Men's Flyweight, by comparison, has 350 ranked fighters).

Women's Flyweight and Strawweight are the only women's divisions with enough depth to justify their existence in MMA (even then, they still only have 100 ranked fighters).
 
It's gotten better. There just aren't any stars or dominant champions right now. Same goes for the men. Just look at the lineup of champions right. Hardly any of them feel like the actual best in the world. They all feel like placeholders.
 
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