Has full mount lost its effectiveness in MMA?

[The Legendary Scarface]

Khabib has done more GNP damage from tripoding than full mount in his career

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Part of it is what type of GnP someone can deliver from it.

Some dudes can bounce heads off the canvas like a Harlem Globetrotter, some can't do shit.

I think alot of fighters don't actually drill ground based striking.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Which is funny because I can't remember him ever getting a stoppage from half guard.

He used the position to hold you down and grind on you, he said having the leg in made it easier to ground the hips and use your leg as an anchor.

 

[ExitLUPin]

I think alot of fighters don't actually drill ground based striking.

Meanwhile GOAT Fedor used to charge the likes of Jacare and Moose Saucy on GNP seminars



How great is our GOAT

 

[Kb7]

Didn't Randy Couture used to say back in the day that half guard was his preferred dominant position?

Came into say this, Tito & GSP were also effective in half guard.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

yes, based off this last fight alone, the mount position is dead 100%.

 

[Taric]

Lewis lost every second of that fight by any metric you want to use.... full mount didn't seem to be ineffectiveness to the judges.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

A big issue I would argue is that whilst Almeida stands out in the grappling wasteland that is modern HW he's really not THAT amazing a submission fighter. Thus far in his career he's mostly gotten pretty standard RNC finishes against opponents with very limited defence but Lewis dispite having weaknesses grappling wise still is a level above that.

He never really unloaded on Lewis from mount, always looked like he was more concerned with keeping Lewis down plus indeed part of the strenght of mount with really elite guys is the ability to grab submissions as someone tries to escape, Nog had several finishes doing that, Crocop and Semmy most obviously.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I still say he was too tired. In the first round when he tried the arm triangle, there was a shot of his face and he was squeezing as hard as humanly possible despite not having good position. I think he blew out his arms. He could get full mount with ease but didn't have the gas to to ground and pound or commit to a sub after the first round.

Full mount is still king but you still need a gas tank and fight IQ to do something with it.

 

[Egészségére!]

Ahh the good old days

 

[NoSmilez]

Came into say this, Tito & GSP were also effective in half guard.

Those two worked in guard.

 

[NoSmilez]

Some guys have their particular game that they prefer. Jailton doesn’t like to punch. He tried for the arm triangle a few times. Lewis is also very explosive. The moment you try to punch then he is going to try to buck.

 

[Goodfella86]

I've had these thoughts many times throughout the years, but I always settle on the mount being the way to go. In most matchups, it drastically increases the chances of a finish. Sometimes, it doesn't work out, if the bottom fighter is defensively sound.

Even before Almeida, I thought Eduarda Moura had a hard time controlling her bowling ball of an opponent from the mount and was pleased when she started going Full Tito from the guard. Of course, I think it was one more mount after that and she got the W.

I really don't think the mount will ever lose its effectiveness.

 

[EnthusiastCultivator]

Nope, Full Mount is still king if you have the cardio (weight advantage also helps).

Luke Rockhold made Chris Weidman, an all American D1 Wrestler, look like an amateur in that position.

 

[Deleted member 449757]

"It's not about what you have. It's about what you do with it." - an old Lego Bionicle commercial

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

There was a time when getting mount was an instakill on an opponent

Every card now we see fighters get mount sometimes multiple times in a fight and opponent survives or escapes. Feels like half guard is a better more dominant position in MMA. Im not talking back mount but just a full mount....



This mightve well have been guard LMAOOOOOO

Why an odd take. A position, submission, strike, etc is only as good as the person using it.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Almeida did not want to take so many much #Risk during this #Battle . Imagine he was posture, then #BlackBeastCombatant he give back, then #JustStandUp and slide him off, then throw ham fist to head? Almeida was having fear of this smoke, so he play safely. Houston Sambo is quite deceptive.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

There was a time when getting mount was an instakill on an opponent

Every card now we see fighters get mount sometimes multiple times in a fight and opponent survives or escapes. Feels like half guard is a better more dominant position in MMA. Im not talking back mount but just a full mount....



This mightve well have been guard LMAOOOOOO

Ya no...

Mount is very effective when you know...

You actually do something from mount lol..

This must be a troll thread

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

More fighters know basic defensive grappling now so it will never be as dominant as it once was

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Fighters don't just buck and panic underneath anymore, they're much more likely to stay defensive and look for an elbow/knee escape.

Jailton was setting up a lot of arm triangles which I'll give him credit for but that's also a move which seems to have massively diminished in it's success over the years.