Has cinema reached its peak?

I haven't liked anything since JarJar Abrams and his acolytes were put in charge of the franchise. Thematically, stylistically, and tonally it's a completely different franchise. People cussing, disrespecting their commanding officers, emotional outbursts (even Spock!), it all goes against what was laid down by Gene Roddenberry and later continued by Rick Berman.

Star Trek ended with Enterprise.
I didn’t even like Enterprise. It wasn’t the worst thing I’ve ever seen. But I could never stay interested enough to get through more than 1.5 seasons.
And Scott Bakula was possibly the worst person they could cast for that role.
 
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The 70's, 80's & 90's had genuinely original films and great actors. Now the quality has consistently dropped and they seem to have run out of ideas.
There are many good filmmakers right now and enjoyable films today but none that have changed the way we view film as a medium or story telling significantly. It just doesn’t hit the same as it used to.
Ticket sales still haven't reached pre covid levels. Operating costs are continually increasing. Busts and flops are the new norm and blockbusters are the exception.
The whole industry is changing.
Based on the last 5 or 10 years it peaked over a decade ago
 
i have a bridge to sell you if you think this wasn’t also the case in the 60s, 70s, 80s, & 90s
If you can't see that cinema is a bad place right now, you are the one who has already bought some magic beans from someone.
 
I didn’t even like Enterprise. It wasn’t the worst thing I’ve ever seen. But I could never stay interested enough to get through more than 1.5 seasons.
And Scott Bakula was possibly the worst person they could cast for that role.
The first two seasons were a little rough, but that's true of most Trek series (like TNG and DS9). But 3 and 4 were excellent, and are pretty universally well-regarded in the Trek community.

Bakula grew on me as the series progressed. I still rank him behind Kirk, Picard, and Sisko, but far ahead of Janeway and everyone that's come since.
 
If you can't see that cinema is a bad place right now, you are the one who has already bought some magic beans from someone.
hate to break it to you, bud, but cinema encompasses more than tentpole hollywood blockbusters. cinema is fine.
 
hate to break it to you, bud, but cinema encompasses more than tentpole hollywood blockbusters. cinema is fine.

There have definitely been some shifts in the last few years with studios and what they're willing to invest in since the production shakeup of covid and the loss of dvd sales.

An argument could certainly be made that overall quality of writing and the number of high profile original films has declined compared to a "peak" of 1992 through 2012, but realistically people are acting like it's a bell curve that will never rise again. If you pull your perspective back and look at the long term it's more likely to be like waves crashing on a beach. Being at a low point of the current wave does not mean no new waves will ever come.
 
hate to break it to you, bud, but cinema encompasses more than tentpole hollywood blockbusters. cinema is fine.
I hate to break it to you, but really there have been a lot less top quality movies in this decade than say in the 2000s

There is clearly a lot less top, top class movies year on year in the 2020s than the preceding decades and is likely a large part of the reason attendance has fell off a cliff
 
There have definitely been some shifts in the last few years with studios and what they're willing to invest in since the production shakeup of covid and the loss of dvd sales.

An argument could certainly be made that overall quality of writing and the number of high profile original films has declined compared to a "peak" of 1992 through 2012, but realistically people are acting like it's a bell curve that will never rise again. If you pull your perspective back and look at the long term it's more likely to be like waves crashing on a beach. Being at a low point of the current wave does not mean no new waves will ever come.
Agree, churlish to pretend we aren’t in a lull right now. Recent years have been very poor. There haven’t been many Oppenheimers and the like
 
I hate to break it to you, but really there have been a lot less top quality movies in this decade than say in the 2000s

There is clearly a lot less top, top class movies year on year in the 2020s than the preceding decades and is likely a large part of the reason attendance has fell off a cliff
except 2023 was a dynamite year. wrong again, old friend.
 
The first two seasons were a little rough, but that's true of most Trek series (like TNG and DS9). But 3 and 4 were excellent, and are pretty universally well-regarded in the Trek community.

Bakula grew on me as the series progressed. I still rank him behind Kirk, Picard, and Sisko, but far ahead of Janeway and everyone that's come since.
Nah, man. Even Janeway was better than Bakula. At least she has big tits.
 
Wrong again, definite not amigo who is either old and senile or too young to know any better


My arse it was dynamite
oh wow, a list of great movies—a list that doesn’t even include Sing Sing, Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World, La bête, The Human Surge 3, Red Rooms, Close Your Eyes, A Thousand and One, Yannick, Menus-Plaisirs les Troisgros, Monster, Omen, Green Border, Robot Dreams, or Beau is Afraid

2024 was really solid too
 
There have definitely been some shifts in the last few years with studios and what they're willing to invest in since the production shakeup of covid and the loss of dvd sales.

An argument could certainly be made that overall quality of writing and the number of high profile original films has declined compared to a "peak" of 1992 through 2012, but realistically people are acting like it's a bell curve that will never rise again. If you pull your perspective back and look at the long term it's more likely to be like waves crashing on a beach. Being at a low point of the current wave does not mean no new waves will ever come.
i do think that “mainstream” cinema is on the cusp of a paradigm shift. whether or not it will be a positive or negative shift will depend on which moment the studios decide to take a lesson from—the success of A Minecraft Movie or the success of Sinners. i fear it’ll be the former, since kids/family movies have been the only constant at the top of the box office in recent years, but maybe this inevitable shift will have an A-side & a B-side
 
oh wow, a list of great movies—a list that doesn’t even include Sing Sing, Do Not Expect Too Much from the End of the World, La bête, The Human Surge 3, Red Rooms, Close Your Eyes, A Thousand and One, Yannick, Menus-Plaisirs les Troisgros, Monster, Omen, Green Border, Robot Dreams, or Beau is Afraid

2024 was really solid too
Na. You're it

A list of pretty poor movies overall plus Oppenheimer

But you are in many threads on anything modern entertainment arguing vociferously that it's all great.

There's nothing wrong with being honest about the fact that cinems has been in a bit of a fallow period the past half decade or decade.

The dwindling number of viewers kinda backs that up too.
 
Cinema reached its peak in the 80's. It's at its nadir now. AI will destroy studio films entirely once people can start making big budget looking films from the comfort of their homes.
This. Who in their right mind would think 2025 is the peak of cinema?? Holy shit.
 
This. Who in their right mind would think 2025 is the peak of cinema?? Holy shit.
Henry Flower will fight you to the death that everything modern is just as good if not better than what came before.

Regardless of whether or not the rest of the world is buying it...
 
Na. You're it

A list of pretty poor movies overall plus Oppenheimer
translation: duurrrr i’ve only seen Oppenheimer but here’s my irrefutable opinion anyways durrrr
But you are in many threads on anything modern entertainment arguing vociferously that it's all great.
post receipts
There's nothing wrong with being honest about the fact that cinems has been in a bit of a fallow period the past half decade or decade.

The dwindling number of viewers kinda backs that up too.
you’re over here wrapped up in Hollywood’s box office (up from last year btw) while i’m talking about the encouraging amount of quality movies still floating along across the vast ocean of cinema—it’s as though we were on the same field, playing different games. you, however, seem unable to understand that a different game from your own is possible.
 
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