Harold Lederman should not score boxing!!!

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  1. lionsdenks

    lionsdenks Green Belt

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    Every fight i say the same thing, he is terrible. The 12th for Pac Man seriously??? I had it a draw, I scored one round even (the 11th I believe but cant quite remember) Anyways Lederman is consistent, consistently terrible
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Lederman > you, even if he is wrong a lot.
     
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    His scoring that 12th for Pacqiao cemented the fact he has gone senile. They need to get rid of him.
     
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    lionsdenks Green Belt

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    No, Harold is not better than me. My scorecard is almost always within a point or so of Larry Merchant's. He should take over Harolds job and do commentary and score. He scores the fight pretty good consistently
     
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    thing I find about lederman is a lot of the time I wind up with the same or close to the same final scorecard even if I have a bunch of the rounds scored differently.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yes he is. You're bragging about scoring similarly to someone who is piss drunk almost every broadcast. Go you.

    YES. After doing a bunch of these PBP's I find the same thing. I disagree with him about rounds, but the numbers end up a point or two within.
     
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    Troof! Larry had the scoring on point. 7 rounds to 5 for Marquez with Manny scoring a knockdown.
     
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    scoring in boxing has alot of bias, its just the nature of the game since you can't exactly measure everything.

    i look at alot of scores (if i didin't watch the fight), and make my own dec

    but when alot of people are giving jmm 114-113, that means its totally not outta the realm that pac won this.
    when the fight is that close, thats when bias is gonna decide a winner

    do you like dmg and power? clean punching? aggression? speed and ring generalship etc.

    can't really cry over a point or 2. especially in a fight with alot of close rounds
     
  9. TX911

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    I gotta tell ya Jim.....who cares? it's not an official score anyway. It's basically there to give novice fans a clue as to who's winning a close fight and so they'll have something to talk about. Think Goldy but older and drunker
     
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    i COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH HAROLD LETTERMAN SHOULDN'T SCORE BOXING HE HAS HAD SOME VERY BAD SCORES IN ALOT OF THE RECENT FIGHTS
     
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    wow,people are really upset

    i would've loved to look like nostradamus (i predicted a jmm close dec)

    but i can understand in a close fight, pac could get the edge in scoring
     
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    prontostar Gymmy TUNDAH!

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    I gotta tell ya something...we should save this post for future reference.:icon_chee
     
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    lugubriousduck Banned Banned

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    I admit it could have went to marquez by a slim margin as well and I admit bias does come into judging boxing matches this close. The close rounds I had Pacquiao winning with harder shots. I had the score the same as Lederman. But after the round by round assessment, I look at the big picture. Fact is Pacquiao lander harder shots, looked much better in the first fight technically, and looked strong the whole 12 rounds. I do this often with close fights. Right now, I am totally comfortable with my decision in scoring the fight in favor for Pacquiao. That is, 7 round to 5 rounds.
     
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    If I'm using the part of your post that I made bold as a means to score then I'd have to go with Pacquiao. Marquez just seemed too content counter punching. I guess I have a "bias" against out boxers. But again, if you're content to walking circles around the ring don't get knocked on your ass. 114-113 Pacquiao. If I gave him Round 12 then it would be 115-112 Pacquiao.
     
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    Also I really believe that ringside you can see better than on TV. A fight that close you have to go with the judges.
     
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    afterdawnpwnt?
     
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    i dont think so, you get blocked angles when up that close

    i really think tv is better, (for scorign, not for excitement and atmosphere)
     
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    Did it not show up?
     
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    I am always mad at Harold's scoring and I am not really arguing with the decision (even though 115-112 for either fighter means something was possibly fucked), but Harold scoring round 12 for Pacquiao is ridiculous. Round 12 for Pacquaio based on what?? Round 12 damage = Marquez, # of punches = Marquez, Ring generalship = Marquez. I mean what is the basis for round 12 for Pac Man?? I also love that the other announcers are always kind of like Harold is a retard at the end of the fight when he reads his score.
     

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