Hands up during roundhouse kick. For what?

[Deleted member 466273]

It's a valid questions. Once the kick is out your opponent is not in range to punch you anyway.

 

[Frode Falch]

You don't even train, why are you talking about how you fight?

 

[Snubnoze707]

It's a valid questions. Once the kick is out your opponent is not in range to punch you anyway.

That's absolutely not always true, and instantaneously after impact they can step in with punches.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

That's absolutely not always true, and instantaneously after impact they can step in with punches.

An experienced kicker leans back and is not in range for my limbs to reach his face, at least if he knows I'm a dangerous puncher

 

[Snubnoze707]

An experienced kicker leans back and is not in range for my limbs to reach his face, at least if he knows I'm a dangerous puncher

Ya, but in a fight not everything is thrown at a perfect ideal range. I've seen plenty of excellent Kickers dropped mid kick. Buakaw vs Masato II for example.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Ya, but in a fight not everything is thrown at a perfect ideal range. I've seen plenty of excellent Kickers dropped mid kick. Buakaw vs Masato II for example.

It happens but I've tried as an experiment to punch a kickboxer in the face post kick, and I failed every single time lol ... I could punch him in the face when he wasn't kicking, though

 

[shincheckin]

leaning back to much can leave you off balance and easy to sweep.

 

[Snubnoze707]

It happens but I've tried as an experiment to punch a kickboxer in the face post kick, and I failed every single time lol ... I could punch him in the face when he wasn't kicking, though

Well I can assure you it's possible. I've done it, had it done to me, and seen countless pro fighters experience this.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Well I can assure you it's possible. I've done it, had it done to me, and seen countless pro fighters experience this.

But they didn't lean now did they? There is no way for you to reach him. Leg grabs against powerful kickers are very difficult to pull off as well. The vast majority leg takedowns are guys who don't pack in enough into their kicks and don't fire off fast enough..

 

[Snubnoze707]

One of my favorite counters against taller guys is a forearm guard against their left roundhouse that is immediately followed with an over hand right before they can even get their leg back.

 

[Snubnoze707]

But they didn't lean now did they? There is no way for you to reach him. Leg grabs against powerful kickers are very difficult to pull off as well. The vast majority leg takedowns are guys who don't pack in enough into their kicks and don't fire off fast enough..

Top level Nakmuay have kick catch rallies in Muay Thai regularly.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Top level Nakmuay have kick catch rallies in Muay Thai regularly.

I didn't know TS was a top level Nakmuay. Point is, when you are facing a TRULY proficient kicker with knockout power and speed, self preservation kicks in and you really can't do much other than parry the shots. It's very, very difficult.

 

[Snubnoze707]

I didn't know TS was a top level Nakmuay. Point is, when you are facing a TRULY proficient kicker with knockout power and speed, self preservation kicks in and you really can't do much other than parry the shots. It's very, very difficult.

I don't care about the TS, we're talking fight mechanics. I doubt he is a TRULY proficient kicker either.

I never said anything was easy, I'm just talking about what actually happens in the fight world. Even the best kickers get caught.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

I don't care about the TS, we're talking fight mechanics. I doubt he is a TRULY proficient kicker either.

I never said anything was easy, I'm just talking about what actually happens in the fight world. Even the best kickers get caught.

Would you say getting countered by a punch post kick is the norm at any relevant level?

 

[Snubnoze707]

Would you say getting countered by a punch post kick is the norm at any relevant level?

Yes, absolutely. Even if it's blocked. Punching immediately after defending a kick is incredibly common. That's why it's important to be prepared for it with a defensive structure after firing off a kick even if you lean back and avoid a catch. There are no safe techniques.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Yes, absolutely. Even if it's blocked. Punching immediately after defending a kick is incredibly common. That's why it's important to be prepared for it with a defensive structure after firing off a kick even if you lean back and avoid a catch. There are no safe techniques.

Sorry, I mean getting tagged by a punch, post kick.

 

[KarateStylist]

I will smoke you t-shirt <Lmaoo>

They wouldn’t want us in the ring.... it would be a rude awakening

Well, there have already been some rude awakenings. At UFC 239. Medical suspensions too. How about that guy who earned Faber almost 350k, with one.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Sorry, I mean getting tagged by a punch, post kick.

Yes, very common in Kickboxing and Muay Thai.

I even drill this all the time when holding pads where I fire off a kick and have the student block and immediately throw back a combination.

 

[Deleted member 466273]

Yes, very common in Kickboxing and Muay Thai.

I even drill this all the time when holding pads where I fire off a kick and have the student block and immediately throw back a combination.

Then either I'm doing something wrong or my opponent is a genius, because my base is boxing and I simply can't do two things at once. When I'm in position to punch him back he is already half way back. I could actually counter other guys easy, but they sucked precisely in post kick fighting, and admired their flashy nonsense instead of worrying about what I'm about to do. So I have experience countering overconfident kickers.

 

[Snubnoze707]

Then either I'm doing something wrong or my opponent is a genius, because my base is boxing and I simply can't do two things at once. When I'm in position to punch him back he is already half way back. I could actually counter other guys easy, but they sucked precisely in post kick fighting, and admired their flashy nonsense instead of worrying about what I'm about to do. So I have experience countering overconfident kickers.

Try crashing the kick by moving in on them the moment you see them attempt to throw one, stuff it with your guard and fire back with your hands. Timing is obviously important, and no it's not always going to work but that's true for every technique.

I've had to deal with various kickers from different backgrounds and the same rules don't always apply to everyone because of body types and styles etc. You can be a kicker that is evasive and moves away but you can also be a kicker that is forward marching and constantly in your face.