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International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VI

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Holy shit... dude the success at which you've warped your own perspective is amazing honestly....

They fled... not to avoid a active warzone.... but instead fled specifically for arab armies to kill jews ......... honestly are you a bit special in the head?



so people who fled out of the road to get out of the way of the conflict - complicit in ethnic cleansing. Obviously part of the plan.

People trapped in Gaza unable to flee - complicit with hamas actions.


just wow , you are honestly amazing......

They fled the warzone for

specifically to make way for Arab armies to come in and kill or displace or subjugate all the Jews in Palestine. They were complicit in that attempted genocide/ethnic cleansing



absolutely incredible
History is very dark indeed. Especially that period.

You should see what was going on in Europe and Asia at the time. Genocide and ethnic cleansing were state policy at the time. Even the US dabled in it.

Also I didn't say all of them fled for that reason. Many thousand did flee for that reason. Others fled because the war got too close. And others because of deliberate Israeli military activity.
 
No... you're a absolute tool to suggest families who fled a active warzone are complicit in genocide.... it's absolute mental and pathetic.

Nice deflection tho

Arafat discussed this. Many Palestinians did in fact leave to make way for Arab armies to subjugate/eradicate Israel, including his own family.
 
They didn't just flee an active warzone they fled specifically to make way for Arab armies to come in and kill or displace or subjugate all the Jews in Palestine. They were complicit in that attempted genocide/ethnic cleansing, they just failed.

This was also done only after their own failed attempt to combat the Israelis themselves.

The Nakba was only a response to Arab declaration of war.
Thats a bit of a stretch dont you think? By that logic, the civilians of Gaza fleeing the northern part are now doing it specifically so the jews can kill Hamas? Wow I guess this means most Gazans are now pro Israeli!

There is no evidence as well of a widespread evacuation order from Arab armies, what there is evidence of tho is the massacres commited by the IDF in places like Deir Yassin and Tantura, here we even have veteran IDF soldiers admitting to the attrocities. Maybe the Palestineans didnt want to be next?



So saying the are complicit in the attempted genocide of jews is just trying to whitewash the ethnic cleansing commited by jews and shifting the blame on the Palestineans themselves.
 
Arafat discussed this. Many Palestinians did in fact leave to make way for Arab armies to subjugate/eradicate Israel, including his own family.
I'll try once more because if you truly are blind to how hypocritical your thinking is its valid.

if not all the best I won't be responding



OK. So the Israeli leaders statements right now are as valid as Arafats to you right?

Arafat said families made way for families ro eradicate Israel... you buy it ( lol )whfunny which bits and people you believe.


But sure. Lets use your logic..... They were complicit in attempted genocide Because of something their leader said ( still amazing tou buy it and dont question propaganda but that aside )

Does your logic hold for Benjamin Netanyahu? I mean he said

"The Palestinians are ALL terrorists, sons of dogs. They must be exterminated, ALL of them killed.”


"Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'”

All it took for you to believe Palestinian families who fled a active warzone to become complicit in attempted genocide.... ( still amazes me ) was the words of the Palestinian leader.


So are all Israelis complicit in attempted genocide due to his words? Or like usual it's a one way standard for you.

Like dismissing nations because of international politics despite acknowledging the track record of those you support Is no different.


So my question is. Are you blind to your hypocrisy? Or it's just part of a elaborate troll to go with your name "Rational poster"?
 
I'll try once more because if you truly are blind to how hypocritical your thinking is its valid.

if not all the best I won't be responding



OK. So the Israeli leaders statements right now are as valid as Arafats to you right?

Arafat said families made way for families ro eradicate Israel... you buy it ( lol )whfunny which bits and people you believe.


But sure. Lets use your logic..... They were complicit in attempted genocide Because of something their leader said ( still amazing tou buy it and dont question propaganda but that aside )

Does your logic hold for Benjamin Netanyahu? I mean he said

"The Palestinians are ALL terrorists, sons of dogs. They must be exterminated, ALL of them killed.”


"Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'”

All it took for you to believe Palestinian families who fled a active warzone to become complicit in attempted genocide.... ( still amazes me ) was the words of the Palestinian leader.


So are all Israelis complicit in attempted genocide due to his words? Or like usual it's a one way standard for you.

Like dismissing nations because of international politics despite acknowledging the track record of those you support Is no different.


So my question is. Are you blind to your hypocrisy? Or it's just part of a elaborate troll to go with your name "Rational poster"?
"Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'”

netanyahu did not say that. it's in quotes from the bible passage, not his words. are you trying to say he said those words?
 
"Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'”

netanyahu did not say that. it's in quotes from the bible passage, not his words. are you trying to say he said those words?


Are you trying to say he didn't? It's a quote therefore he didn't say those words ? What ?

"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," Netanyahu said.

This is incorrect. Never quotes entire passage

Also. Odd you focused on that.. not my question about complicity for a leaders words and a militaries actions..

Also on the biblical quote and not
"The Palestinians are ALL terrorists, sons of dogs. They must be exterminated, ALL of them killed.”

So basically you ignored my entire bloody point to focus on a biblical quote.......... wonder why
 
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I'll try once more because if you truly are blind to how hypocritical your thinking is its valid.

if not all the best I won't be responding



OK. So the Israeli leaders statements right now are as valid as Arafats to you right?

Arafat said families made way for families ro eradicate Israel... you buy it ( lol )whfunny which bits and people you believe.


But sure. Lets use your logic..... They were complicit in attempted genocide Because of something their leader said ( still amazing tou buy it and dont question propaganda but that aside )

Does your logic hold for Benjamin Netanyahu? I mean he said

"The Palestinians are ALL terrorists, sons of dogs. They must be exterminated, ALL of them killed.”


"Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'”

All it took for you to believe Palestinian families who fled a active warzone to become complicit in attempted genocide.... ( still amazes me ) was the words of the Palestinian leader.


So are all Israelis complicit in attempted genocide due to his words? Or like usual it's a one way standard for you.

Like dismissing nations because of international politics despite acknowledging the track record of those you support Is no different.


So my question is. Are you blind to your hypocrisy? Or it's just part of a elaborate troll to go with your name "Rational poster"?

Arafat had no incentive to lie about this. It was in his favor to blame all the expulsion of Arabs squarely at the feet of the Israelis.

Benny Morris also talks about this in much more detail, and never did I claim ALL of the Palestinians fled for this reason, but many did.

It is generally accepted by most historians there were many factors that led to the displacement of Palestinian Arabs.
 
Arafat had no incentive to lie about this. It was in his favor to blame all the expulsion of Arabs squarely at the feet of the Israelis.

Benny Morris also talks about this in much more detail, and never did I claim ALL of the Palestinians fled for this reason, but many did.

It is generally accepted by most historians there were many factors that led to the displacement of Palestinian Arabs.
OK. So do you give the same credence to "bibis" words?

If not

Why Not ?
 
Are you trying to say he didn't? It's a quote therefore he didn't say those words ? What ?

"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," Netanyahu said.

Also. Odd you focused on that.. not my question about complicity for a leaders words and a militaries actions..

Also on the biblical quote and not
"The Palestinians are ALL terrorists, sons of dogs. They must be exterminated, ALL of them killed.”

So basically you ignored my entire bloody point to focus on a biblical quote.......... wonder why
As far as I know this is what he said:
On Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israelis were united in their fight against Hamas, whom he described as an enemy of incomparable cruelty. “They are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,” Netanyahu said in Hebrew. He then added: “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”
 
As far as I know this is what he said:
On Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israelis were united in their fight against Hamas, whom he described as an enemy of incomparable cruelty. “They are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,” Netanyahu said in Hebrew. He then added: “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.”

Indeed from the interviews you are correct. Doesn't quote the entire passage . Clever media pricks.
 
OK. So do you give the same credence to "bibis" words?

If not

Why Not ?

Nothing I can find backs up your claims that those are direct quotes from Netanyahu.

The quote on Amalek is obviously out of context and doesn't represent the entire speech.

He is a piece of shit for sure, but you don't need to put words in his mouth to prove that.
 
Nothing I can find backs up your claims that those are direct quotes from Netanyahu.

The quote on Amalek is obviously out of context and doesn't represent the entire speech.

He is a piece of shit for sure, but you don't need to put words in his mouth to prove that.

You are correct. Looks like I got done by some dodgy media. Looks to be a cluster fuck of israeli officials/ politicians quotes being attributed to him directly
 
The 750k expelled in the Nakba when Israel executed Plan Dalet didnt have a choice. Sure they let a few stay after they ensured the jews would be the demographic majority that was required to maintain a jewish state. Before the Nakba the split was roughly 45% Arabs/ 55% Jews in the Israel side of the partition, that is way too close to being a full majority of arabs, the zionist would have never allowed it.
Some definitely had a choice. Mahmoud Abbas himself admitted that his family wasn’t forced out of their home, but left at the behest of the invading Arab armies in order to make it easier for the invaders to kill the Jews.
 
Some definitely had a choice. Mahmoud Abbas himself admitted that his family wasn’t forced out of their home, but left at the behest of the invading Arab armies in order to make it easier for the invaders to kill the Jews.

Yes many Palestinian leaders talk about this like some kind of point of pride. Like their family answered the call to Jihad.

When in reality it was more like the Palestinian version of American draft dodging Presidents.
 
You still haven't answered the question and are switching the goalpost. The genocidal intent is litigated using all the evidence, not just this piece of evidence. Israel telling people to move as a demonstration of their willingness to protect civilians is rendered meaningless if they decide to bomb where they go anyway. Their defense is that Hamas is everywhere, so no matter where they bomb, the civilians are human shields and they say they are not accountable. Yet, they still claim that they are protecting civilians by dropping leaflets and creating 'safe zones', despite bombing where they tell them to go and saying no where is safe. Don't you see the logical inconsistencies and circular logic here, which likely wont hold up in court.

Even in the instances of the IDF bombing places where the evidence, after the fact, convincingly demonstrate that there were no Hamas there, it's handwaved. 60 percent of residential buildings have been destroyed in Gaza, most of which cannot legitimately be argued to be used for military purposes unless any building or residence in Gaza is a legitimate target regardless of proximity. In addition, when they drop hundreds of bombs capable of killing people 3000 feet away, in areas they tell people to go to for safety, then they can't argue mitigation. A large portion of their bombs were not targeted either.

In my view, the case for total disregard for civilian life and/or the deliberate targeting of civilians is stronger than the opposite. Nearly five percent of the population in Gaza have either been killed, injured or are missing in only three months. Still not enough to make a genocide intent charge plausible on it's own, but when you add in all the evidence as posted earlier, it becomes more plausible stricly based on the Geneva convention and international law.
I’ll try again.

If I may, your position seems to be that the millions of leaflets dropped, the hundreds of thousands of texts sent, the 70,000 phone calls, the websites and the TikTok’s are all meaningless if the IAF then bombs the area that the Gazan civilians are told are “safe”.

I think we all agree that these should be protected areas.

However, what you seem to willfully ignore is that these areas lose their protection if Hamas uses them to fire more rockets at Israel which is in fact what Israel contends has happened.

Maybe you can argue that Israel should then have had dropped more leaflets telling the Gazans that they had to move from these areas to other areas. Of course then Hamas would have followed and the process repeats. You’d be asking Israel to play Whack-A-Mole without a hammer.

So, yes. I think that all the warnings, the increase in aid, the field hospitals, the floating hospitals, the opening of the Kerem Shalom crossing, etc. etc. show a distinct lack of intent on the part of the Israelis to commit genocide on the Gazan Palestinians.
 
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Holy shit... dude the success at which you've warped your own perspective is amazing honestly....

They fled... not to avoid a active warzone.... but instead fled specifically for arab armies to kill jews ......... honestly are you a bit special in the head?



so people who fled out of the road to get out of the way of the conflict - complicit in ethnic cleansing. Obviously part of the plan.

People trapped in Gaza unable to flee - complicit with hamas actions.


just wow , you are honestly amazing......

They fled the warzone for

specifically to make way for Arab armies to come in and kill or displace or subjugate all the Jews in Palestine. They were complicit in that attempted genocide/ethnic cleansing



absolutely incredible
And he's not wrong. A large portion of them DID think they would be able to come back after the jews were pushed into the sea. A lot of them joined the Arab armies to help.


Some arabs stayed and fought for Israel and got to stay. *shock

The jewish Nakba happened. They had to drop almost everything they owned and get out. Nearly 1 million of them. Amidst the incredible wave of antisemitism sweeping the middle east, the safety of Israel looked like a winning lottery ticket to escape. Trying to portray it like 900000 jews in thr non Israel middle east decided to drop everything they owned to run and be zionists for the hell of it is kind of hilarious. They did it because the sands in the hourglass were counting down to another holocaust
 
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Yes many Palestinian leaders talk about this like some kind of point of pride. Like their family answered the call to Jihad.

When in reality it was more like the Palestinian version of American draft dodging Presidents.
Ultimately nobody knows how many were forced out (some were), how many were scared, and how many were trying to help the Arab armies.

But then again, views on forced population transfer only began to change post WWII. It had been a widely accepted practice that had even been approved by the League of Nations.
 
They didn't just flee an active warzone they fled specifically to make way for Arab armies to come in and kill or displace or subjugate all the Jews in Palestine. They were complicit in that attempted genocide/ethnic cleansing, they just failed.

This was also done only after their own failed attempt to combat the Israelis themselves.

The Nakba was only a response to Arab declaration of war.

Really weak excuses. The vast majority of the 700,000+ Palestinians in the Nakba were expelled from their homes by Zionist militia or forced to flee.

You twist that around to claim they were complicit in attempted ethnic cleansing. "The people being ethnically cleansed are the real perpetrators of ethnic cleaning!" How patently absurd and pathetic.

However, what you seem to willfully ignore is that these areas lose their protection if Hamas uses them to fire more rockets at Israel which is in fact what Israel contends has happened.

Maybe you can argue that Israel should then have had dropped more leaflets telling the Gazans that they had to move from these areas to other areas. Of course then Hamas would have followed and the process repeats. You’d be asking Israel to play Whack-A-Mole without a hammer.

Where's the proof that all these places bombed had Hamas rockets being fired from there. This is constantly being claimed with no actual proof.
 
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