International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. IV

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Rholk said:
No more half measures from Israel after october 7th it seems:
www.timesofisrael.com

Netanyahu, Gallant say all Hamas members, even outside Gaza, are ‘dead men’

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Those Hamas leaders living in the lap of luxury outside of Gaza had better double or triple their guards.


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kflo said:
Why didn’t it work the first time?
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The Palestinian Arab leadership rejected partition as unacceptable, given the inequality in the proposed population exchange and the transfer of one-third of Palestine, including most of its best agricultural land, to recent immigrants.
 
San Marino said:
The Palestinian Arab leadership rejected partition as unacceptable, given the inequality in the proposed population exchange and the transfer of one-third of Palestine, including most of its best agricultural land, to recent immigrants.
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Even if they were 100% true why is that now what has to happen?

Oh, and what else came with their rejection?
 
The_Renaissance said:
He's a Russia supporter in the Ukraine conflict. He's said similar things in that thread for almost 2 years. Egypt and Jordan are not doing a fucking thing. They're decent. Syria and Yemen barely exist sadly. Iran yeah probably but the USA flattens Iran in a couple weeks hence why Iran recently told Hamas they aren't physically getting involved. Hezbollah are a problem though, granted, pretty strong. But the general Lebanese have zero appetite for a war - their country is already circling the drain on a couple fronts.
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No, he is not a Russian supporter in the Ukraine conflict. That is your stupid assumption. Didn't that idiot @Rholk just post something about Jordanian tank movement to the Israeli border? What do you mean Syria and Yemen barely exist? Iran does not need to physically get involved in this conflict. They are funding Hamas and Hezbollah. The US is going to flatten Iran? Really? When is that happening? Any other stupid predictions?
 
Samjj said:
Calling it a "cop out" is a refusal to engage with a premise.
Do you deny that there is extensive utilization of civilian infrastructure to hide military infrastructure and Hamas fighters?
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The onus is on the attacker(s) to prove there were a reasonable proportion of enemy combatants embedded in a civilian population. To date, the IDF have failed to do so.

In fact, an IDF spokesperson said on American news that the first attack on Jabalia refugee camp killing dozens and wounding hundreds was an attempt to kill 1 Hamas fighter that they weren't even sure they got; they attacked the camp again twice afterward.

At what point does this rise to depraved indifference toward civilian casualties and deaths?

If Hamas were hiding in Israel, do you believe Israel would employ the same tactics of carpet bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure?
 
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San Marino said:
No, he is not a Russian supporter in the Ukraine conflict. That is your stupid assumption. Didn't that idiot @Rholk just post something about Jordanian tank movement to the Israeli border? What do you mean Syria and Yemen barely exist? Iran does not need to physically get involved in this conflict. They are funding Hamas and Hezbollah. The US is going to flatten Iran? Really? When is that happening? Any other stupid predictions?
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Might wanna actually read the post next time champ.
The "tank" movements are not a threat to Israel at all. They are most likely meant to prevent Hamas from freely moving into/out of the Westbank.

While I'm sure Jordan isn't a fan of Israel bombing Gaza right now, they are even less of a fan of Hamas.
 
kflo said:
Even if they were 100% true why is that now what has to happen?
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Palestinians need more land. Israel has taken over much of what should have remained Palestine. Why does Israel need so much land?
 
San Marino said:
Maybe, but not what the US wants for Gaza. Israel is a long ways away from winning this conflict. It is losing soldiers everyday. The IDF does not reveal the numbers, much like Ukraine. There is fighting withing the Israeli government and disfavor for Netanyahu. Many Israelis want to see him gone. Israel has roughly 80,000 active soldiers in the Army. They rely heavily on the reserve ground forces. Hezbollah in Lebanon is still a major threat. Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and Iran are already at war with Israel. Jordan and Egypt could potentially join the fight. There is currently no shortage of hate for Israel or people willing to fight on the side of Hamas, the Palestinians, or Arabs. This is unlike any other conflict Israel has fought in the past. I don't see Gaza or Israel gone when all is said and done. Israel will be a much weaker country when it is all over. If the US gets dragged into this conflict, I can guarantee Egypt and Jordan will join the fight. Russia and China will come in on the side of the Palestinians and Arabs. They would want control and influence over the flow and price of oil. Saudi Arabia would also come in on the Arab side. I would say currently all Arab countries in the region are against Israel. It won't take much to turn this into a major international conflict.
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Jordan and Egypt aren't going to join anything. It's full delusion to even entertain the idea.
San Marino said:
This is what things need to go back to. The UN 1947 partition plan for Palestine -- land to be parceled to Arabs and Jews. Roughly 50% - 50%.
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That ship sailed long ago when they said "no ,kill the jews!
giusti825 said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The onus is on the killer(s) to prove there were a reasonable proportion of enemy combatants embedded in a civilian population. To date, the IDF have failed to do so.

In fact, an IDF spokesperson said on American news that the first attack on Jabalia refugee camp killing dozens and wounding hundreds was an attempt to kill 1 Hamas fighter that they weren't even sure they got; they attacked the camp again twice afterward.

At what point does this rise to depraved indifference toward civilian casualties and deaths?

If Hamas were hiding in Israel, do you believe Israel would employee the same tactics off carpet bombing civilians and civilian infrastructure?
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Lol. If Hamas were hiding in Israel, the soldiers would have full support of the population to point and wipe them out. Hell , the hamas guys would be dead before the active soldiers arrived.

Shame Palestinians won openly rise up against hamas and kill them all themselves. That would solve everything
 
pokerandbeer said:
outraged? more like dumbfounded that you believe a nation is supposed to just sit back and let terrorists attack them and not expect repercussions.
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"Terrorists"

The US state department does not get to arbitrarily declare their enemies terrorists. Hamas is a state actor or at least attempting to be. They are by definition not a terrorist organization.
 
ferrisjso said:
"Terrorists"

The US state department does not get to arbitrarily declare their enemies terrorists. Hamas is a state actor or at least attempting to be. They are by definition not a terrorist organization.
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Mind elaborating that one?
A group cant be a terrorist organisation, because they are a state actor?
Not quite sure how those things have to exclude eachother.
 
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