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International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

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kflo said:
How do you think Hamas would operate in Gaza with open borders and trade and military? Gaza is what is in in large part because they are ruled by a terrorist group building a city for terror.
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Its almost like Israel is perfect.
 
aries said:
You think the US would have nuked the USSR if they had no nukes? I don't.

We came close to a nuclear armageddon in the 80s because once a Soviet early warning system falsely alerted a Russian officer. He took it upon himself not to alert his superiors because they would launch WW3.

And it happened before during the Cuban missile crisis, 2 out of 3 officers including the captain wanted to launch their nuclear warhead torpedo but the 3rd officer refused (it needed all 3 to be on board) and calmed them down, averting WW3.

As I said, I'm glad NK and Iran don't have nuclear weapons.
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I dont know.

You are aware of MAD right? I did not make it up.
 
vision1 said:
You tell me. I’m just responding to your suggestion that Christianity is an ethnicity if Judaism is. I’m explaining the difference to you.


It’s more liberal in the 21st century, times have changed. Historically it wasn’t a religion of converts.


Compare last 75 years to the previous 75 years … the answer is absolutely. Jews are stronger and safer because of Israel. It’s too bad so many people still want them dead.

I am a Jew and I have spent significant time in Tel Aviv. I feel very safe there. I can’t compare it to every option on your list but I’ve been to Paris and NYC maybe a combined 30 times and I’d rank both of those places less safe. Specifically for Jews? For sure I’d rank Tel Aviv safer than Paris.
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Ironically and unfortunatly Israel is making Jews outside of Israel less safe now.
 
vision1 said:
Wouldn't it make more sense to blame the racist group who are willing to act violently against Jews?
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Sure to a point, but not if you are one who identifies with the Palestinians.
 
DEVILsSON said:
Pretending that there's only slight difference between Israel and North Korea or Saudi Arabia is intellectually dishonest. It's also dishonest to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa. I know it's a popular pastime in liberal circles but it's simply inconsistent with the facts.

Criticizing Israel or help it receives from US is not antisemitic. However presenting facts in a dishonest or factually wrong manner is very suspect.

A lot of people who criticize the US assistance are completely ignorant as what type of assistance it is and what it achieves.

US is essentially preventing Israelis from wiping Gaza and West Bank. That assistance Israel receives is largely in the form of defensive missiles for Iron Dome. Those rockets are expensive af....One Iron Dome missile is about 60k from quick googling....that makes it about 6667 rockets in the 4 billion number. Year after year Hamas shoot thousands of rockets into Israel.

Those rockets have prevented what Israel is doing now. Had US stopped providing that assistance, Israelis would have gone in and showed what is happening now a child's play.

Every single time Israel must wage war, it is an existential crisis. If Israel loses a single time that's it, there's no more single tiny country that all Jews could call home.
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No, it's not dishonest to compare it with South Africa and in fact many anti-apartheid activists have pointed out the similarities. Desmond Tutu, for one.
And no, US aid to Israel is not only defensive missiles.
The only people who do not criticize Israel are people who happen to be Jewish, although many Jews do criticize Israel, evangelicals and politicians that need support from these groups.
The argument about being the only Jewish home is ok. Although Palestinians have no home at all and that doesn't seem to bother the Israeli supporters.
Also, although some Israeli jews come from refugees, holocaust survivors etc, a lot had very safe lives in Europe and the US, it was hardly an existential reason that they decided to move there. It's mostly a religious one.
 
Cuauhtemoc said:
No, it's not dishonest to compare it with South Africa and in fact many anti-apartheid activists have pointed out the similarities. Desmond Tutu, for one.
And no, US aid to Israel is not only defensive missiles.
The only people who do not criticize Israel are people who happen to be Jewish, although many Jews do criticize Israel, evangelicals and politicians that need support from these groups.
The argument about being the only Jewish home is ok. Although Palestinians have no home at all and that doesn't seem to bother the Israeli supporters.
Also, although some Israeli jews come from refugees, holocaust survivors etc, a lot had very safe lives in Europe and the US, it was hardly an existential reason that they decided to move there. It's mostly a religious one.
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The pro-Israel crowd here dismiss all experts when it fits their needs.

I had one of them in this thread cite the UN for creating modern day Israel and in the same post dismiss the UN calling for a cease fire.

They love to blow and suck at the same time
 
Samjj said:
Did you just legitimize/justify violence against Jews, Sammy?
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Of course not. Do you not know what the word 'unforttunatly' means?

I simply pointed out reality that violence against Jews in NA has increased since the Israel response to Oct 7.

Do you condone violence against Muslims in NA or just in Palestine?
 
SammyPops said:
I dont know.

You are aware of MAD right? I did not make it up.
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We're all aware of mad

It's a lot harder to make those calculations when you add in radical Islam. People who've got a hard on to become martyrs probably shouldn't be trusted to have wmd.

Hamas would for sure nuke someone. I don't know if Iran would help them or allow them to have one. But that's the kind of mistake that we have been trying to make sure never happens as it will be permanent and likely will lead to actual nuclear warfare and a totally different world.
 
Samjj said:
Did you just legitimize/justify violence against Jews, Sammy?
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This thread is full of people legitimizing and justifying violence against Palestinians and not a peep from you about it
 
Sir Punchalot said:
Arab from Israel discusses Israel's horrific apartheid regime.

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The vast majority of Arab Israeli citizens live below the poverty line. Also face housing discrimination and discriminatory laws. One outlier doesn't change anything.
 
Gutter Chris said:
We're all aware of mad

It's a lot harder to make those calculations when you add in radical Islam. People who've got a hard on to become martyrs probably shouldn't be trusted to have wmd.

Hamas would for sure nuke someone. I don't know if Iran would help them or allow them to have one. But that's the kind of mistake that we have been trying to make sure never happens as it will be permanent and likely will lead to actual nuclear warfare and a totally different world.
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Are you saying that all Muslim are radical? That sounds Islamaphobic

And yeah b/c Communist like Stalin and Mao were totally reasonable.
 
OneOfOne said:
This thread is full of people legitimizing and justifying violence against Palestinians and not a peep from you about it
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Where in this thread has anyone justified violence against Palestinians outside of the war?
 
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