International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

[Deleted member 585708]

Yes, and the Ontario Premiere pretty much agrees. The open antisemitism being expressed out there in those oh' so cheerful rallies, should not be given cover by a fucking flag. If they want to use it for hate, it should be treated as such. Make it the new swastika. Same with that lame Arafat scarf, all the cool people are rocking these days.

Sorry dude, I am zero sum on this issue. It's already spiraled out of control, as far as I'm concerned. Nip that shit in the bud, before it's 1939 again, and people are wondering how it all happened.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Israel could appeal to the Palestinian citizens until the cows come home. All that will do is get Hamas to call them "collaborator!" and they'll be lined up and shot. Hamas isn't giving the Palestinian people any option but 100% compliance to their will or bullets.

I have nothing against the Palestinian people, it's Hamas that needs to be removed.

I'm assuming you're following the conflict, you seem pretty up to date on conflict and you know more about than I do.

Israel say they have literally cut Gaza in half.

They've done that for a reason. They believe they can isolate the majority of Hamas in the North.

So yeah.

I would say this is an awesome time to appeal to Palestinians in the South, can you give me a credible reason why not?

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[tastaylvr]

Yes, and the Ontario Premiere pretty much agrees. The open antisemitism being expressed out there in those oh' so cheerful rallies, should not be given cover by a fucking flag. If they want to use it for hate, it should be treated as such. Make it the new swastika. Same with that lame Arafat scarf, all the cool people are rocking these days.

Sorry dude, I am zero sum on this issue. It's already spiraled out of control, as far as I'm concerned. Nip that shit in the bud, before it's 1939 again, and people are wondering how it all happened.

wow look at this

HereticBD has changed his mind again. Censorship is actually a good thing now.

 

[Strychnine]

I'm assuming you're following the conflict, you seem pretty up to date on conflict and you know more about than I do.

Israel say they have literally cut Gaza in half.

They've done that for a reason. They believe they can isolate the majority of Hamas in the North.

So yeah.

I would say this is an awesome time to appeal to Palestinians in the South, can you give me a credible reason why not?

I've no doubt that Israel is reaching out to the Palestinian leadership. Talks like this are done all of the time. Like the U.S. and the Taliban. You CAN negotiate with the Taliban, you cannot negotiate with Isis. No one who's in talks with Israel on the Palestinian side can't do it overtly or they'll be dead.

 

[DEVILsSON]

This, I have no problem with Israel, just like I have no problem with North Korea or Saudi Arabia. Israel is somewhat more democratic than these countries because they vote each other into power but they certainly do not fulfill what would be expected of a western democracy. Elections are not enough.
It's similar to the formerly White countries in Africa, Rhodesia and South Africa, where you had elections and a government that abided to checks and balances. Yet, they were considered evil and suffered from sanctions until they collapsed.
On the other hand, Israel gets billions of dollars, support from the US and most of Europe, and if we criticize it we're anti-semitic.

Pretending that there's only slight difference between Israel and North Korea or Saudi Arabia is intellectually dishonest. It's also dishonest to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa. I know it's a popular pastime in liberal circles but it's simply inconsistent with the facts.

Criticizing Israel or help it receives from US is not antisemitic. However presenting facts in a dishonest or factually wrong manner is very suspect.

A lot of people who criticize the US assistance are completely ignorant as what type of assistance it is and what it achieves.

US is essentially preventing Israelis from wiping Gaza and West Bank. That assistance Israel receives is largely in the form of defensive missiles for Iron Dome. Those rockets are expensive af....One Iron Dome missile is about 60k from quick googling....that makes it about 6667 rockets in the 4 billion number. Year after year Hamas shoot thousands of rockets into Israel.

Those rockets have prevented what Israel is doing now. Had US stopped providing that assistance, Israelis would have gone in and showed what is happening now a child's play.

Every single time Israel must wage war, it is an existential crisis. If Israel loses a single time that's it, there's no more single tiny country that all Jews could call home.

 

[HereticBD]

wow look at this

HereticBD has changed his mind again. Censorship is actually a good thing now.

Umm, are you confusing me with some hippy dippy leftist, who thinks the world should be some free for all? Yeah, I ain't that guy.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I've no doubt that Israel is reaching out to the Palestinian leadership. Talks like this are done all of the time. Like the U.S. and the Taliban. You CAN negotiate with the Taliban, you cannot negotiate with Isis. No one who's in talks with Israel on the Palestinian side can't do it overtly or they'll be dead.

More important is the power of the people. Far more important.

But Israel aren't exactly setting a good example when they have violent settlers attacking and murdering people in the Abbas-led West Bank and they're bombing Gaza to shit.

There's a lot of talk about not trusting Hamas, and obviously, but where's the discussion about Israel making themselves trustworthy to the people that will directly affect the future of this region? The Palestinian people, and Abbas in particular?

Again, you can't boot them out, and you can't kill them all.

Military might can achieve very little at this point. It's time for discussion.

 

[Strychnine]

More important is the power of the people. Far more important.

But Israel aren't exactly setting a good example when they have violent settlers attacking and murdering people in the Abbas-led West Bank and they're bombing Gaza to shit.

There's a lot of talk about not trusting Hamas, and obviously, but where's the discussion about Israel making themselves trustworthy to the people that will directly affect the future of this region? The Palestinian people, and Abbas in particular?

Again, you can't boot them out, and you can't kill them all.

Military might can achieve very little at this point. It's time for discussion.

I agree, but Israel's pleas will fall on Hamas' deaf ears.

 

[tastaylvr]

Umm, are you confusing me with some hippy dippy leftist, who thinks the world should be some free for all? Yeah, I ain't that guy.

You are the person railing against leftists for fighting against hate speech. You said it was a joke but now you are for it as long as it silences the people you dislike. You are advocating prison time for people saying a few words. Don't act like you have not railed against this exact topic before. You change your principles depending on who you are dealing with. You might as well have none.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I agree, but Israel's pleas will fall on Hamas' deaf ears.

Hamas aren't that important right now.

Their leaders aren't in Palestine, and the bulk of their forces are surrounded and about to be curb-stomped.

Who cares what they hear?

 

[HereticBD]

You are the person railing against leftists for fighting against hate speech. You said it was a joke but now you are for it as long as it silences the people you dislike. You are advocating prison time for people saying a few words. Don't act like you have not railed against this exact topic before. You change your principles depending on who you are dealing with. You might as well have none.

So that's a whole lot of nothing. Good talk.

 

[HereticBD]

Hamas aren't that important right now.

They're literally holding 200+ hostages. LOL.

 

[Strychnine]

Hamas aren't that important right now.

Their leaders aren't in Palestine, and the bulk of their forces are surrounded and about to be curb-stomped.

Who cares what they hear?

Well, they're the ones with the rockets and hostages.

 

[Corona]

Come on man. They don’t bomb it for the same exact reason. You can just send regular cops into the barrio it’s not like there’s a bunch of gang bangers that are going to try to snipe or blow up the cops. You didn’t address my point at all

hey it worked for the rock in fast 5

Spoiler

Until it didn’t lmao

 

[Deleted member 585708]

They're literally holding 200+ hostages. LOL.

Well, they're the ones with the rockets and hostages.

I'm talking about solving the conflict, not who is going to fire a rocket at an extremely well-equipped army.

Hamas are basically defeated, at least that's what Neyanyahu is saying.

Using the most up-to-date information, Hamas only have hostages left as leverage - according to Israel.

The question now is no longer about Hamas, it's about the future of Gaza.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...ed-gaza-city-benjamin-netanyahu-b1118858.html

Israeli forces have surrounded the leader of Hamas and killed a leading Hamas weapons developer as they entered the "heart of Gaza City", the military has said.

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You guys need to be up to date.

The game is up for Hamas.

 

[HereticBD]

You guys need to be up to date.

The game is up for Hamas.

Tell that to the hostages they're holding.

"Didn't you hear guys? The game is up for Hamas. I guess we can leave now."

Just stop.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Tell that to the hostages they're holding.

"Didn't you hear guys? The game is up for Hamas. I guess we can leave now."

Just stop.

The Israeli hostages aren't a legitimate reason not to negotiate with the rest of the Palestinian people.

You've interjected yourself stupidly again.

Is the priority for the region peace, or is it eliminating Hamas and the hostages they hold?

Whatever happens with those hostages - and we all hope they make it out alive - it's time to move to negotiations on the wider situation.

I get why you'd be offended, you expect the extermination of Palestine. You said so. But let it go already. You said something entirely stupid, and were wrong, thank God.

 

[sangreporsangre]

Yes, and the Ontario Premiere pretty much agrees. The open antisemitism being expressed out there in those oh' so cheerful rallies, should not be given cover by a fucking flag. If they want to use it for hate, it should be treated as such. Make it the new swastika. Same with that lame Arafat scarf, all the cool people are rocking these days.

Sorry dude, I am zero sum on this issue. It's already spiraled out of control, as far as I'm concerned. Nip that shit in the bud, before it's 1939 again, and people are wondering how it all happened.

This is one of the craziest things I've ever seen written on here. Have you told anybody in real life that you have thoughts like this?

I just don't see how banning a national flag, a scarf(!) and a phrase is gonna nip anything in the bud. That's gonna make things a hell of a lot more crazy. There's gonna a be thousands and thousands of Palestinian flags waving in downtown Toronto on Saturday for example, how would you like the cops to deal with them?

I was at the Toronto protest last weekend and I didn't see any antisemitism, unless one counts the "river to the sea" chant but again there's nothing antisemitic about that and you NPCs have literally been programmed with that talking point over the course of a few days, it's actually been disturbing to see. A Jewish Holocaust survivor spoke before the march began, denouncing Israel's slaughter of civilians. I saw at least 2 dozen signs saying things like "Jews against genocide" or "not in my name" type messages. And there were a whole contingent of Orthodox Jews in the full get-up holding a banner denouncing the actions of Israel and flying Palestinian flags - you think they should be arrested? All of those Jewish people somehow missed the "open antisemitism" there but somehow you felt it through right-wing media? I think you're a freakin nutjob.

 

[Strychnine]

I'm talking about solving the conflict, not who is going to fire a rocket at an extremely well-equipped army.

Hamas are basically defeated, at least that's what Neyanyahu is saying.

Using the most up-to-date information, Hamas only have hostages left as leverage - according to Israel.

The question now is no longer about Hamas, it's about the future of Gaza.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...ed-gaza-city-benjamin-netanyahu-b1118858.html

Israeli forces have surrounded the leader of Hamas and killed a leading Hamas weapons developer as they entered the "heart of Gaza City", the military has said.

--

You guys need to be up to date.

The game is up for Hamas.

Then all they have to do is release the hostages and surrender. I don't think they're going to do that.