International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. III

[OneOfOne]

Remember the other 500 billion times US intellicence actually proved correct?

This man actually trust US Intelligence agencies lol

 

[djacobox372]

The pushback against Israel being a "Jewish state" is because they keep proclaiming "We're the only free, equal democracy in the Middle East!"

Clearly not true when you have a host of laws that prioritizes one religious group over another. They literally have laws that dictate who Arab citizens of Israel can marry, what land they can live on, and a whole bunch of laws that are completely discriminatory and designed to keep the population low. That's not an equal democracy.

I don't question Israel's right to exist at all and many do not either. That's just a strawman people keep using to detract from legitimate criticism. Such as their illegal settlement building.

Totally agree. Israel deserves criticism and pressure from the west to adopt an actual free democracy.

That said, I think it's a point that is unrelated to who one sides with in this conflict, as the Arab nation that the Palestinians desire would likely be even more discriminatory.

There is a challenge to get Jews to accept Arabs as anything more than a powerless minority in Irael, but the challenge to get Arabs to accept Jews in the same situation is far greater.

 

[cincymma79]

Dumbest post ever. Look at the flags under the fighters' names at the next UFC event.

Edit to add...roughly a dozen countries have the crescent moon on their flags - a Muslim symbol
Edit to add more...27 countries officially enshrine Islam as their state religion. 13 countries designate Christianity, or some denomination thereof, as the official state religion. Way, way more give preferences to preferred religions.

Those don’t count though. They’re all Jewish propaganda

 

[Halge]

Israel was created for the sole purpose of housing Jews. What other country in the world was created for the sole purpose of a religion?

Pakistan and India, arguably the balkan nations, and a whole bunch of nations created out of former colonial domains. I'd say it is quite common.

 

[Zazen]

tlaib censured lol. From the mountain to the sea, a censured creature you shall be

Yeah and it’s fucking joke, you’ve got republicans dressing up in IDF uniforms and saying Gaza should be turned into a parking lot. I’m glad we have her sticking up for the Palestinians

 

[SammyPops]

again, you're making shit up. YOU are the one who thinks it's binary. does this look like total fuckin war on all palestinians? or are you equally offended by just making them head south away from north gaza?

so you must really idnetify as a war crimes dont exist and there are no innocents in Palestine to reply to this post.

sorry it hit so close to home.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

What was an acceptable death toll to defeat the Nazis?

With Israel now controlling Gaza city there have been and hamas not able to prevent civilians from leaving, I hope the civilian deaths are going to diminish significantly.
But hamas has to be defeated, no two ways about it now, and it could've happened sooner had the international community got together against the actual perpetrator, instead of paying devil's advocate for virtue points.

This guy proves my point, no limit

What was an acceptable death toll to defeat the Nazis?

With Israel now controlling Gaza city there have been and hamas not able to prevent civilians from leaving, I hope the civilian deaths are going to diminish significantly.
But hamas has to be defeated, no two ways about it now, and it could've happened sooner had the international community got together against the actual perpetrator, instead of paying devil's advocate for virtue points.

Nazi's lol , false parallel is false

 

[IDGETKTFO]

AIPAC really flexing its muscles here. This whole thing has been just so insane.

Thats a lot of Jewish last names.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Does see that way.

Hamas commits attack on Israel
Israel attacks hamas and Palestinians
More power for hamas. More death for Palestinians.

Two birds with the one stone.

..and now you know why the Israelis supported Hamas.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

IDF Claim: "We aim only for the enemy?"

Obvious Response: "So the enemy is everywhere?!"

 

[MicroBrew]

That's not a good analogy. In this situation the Hamas fighter is out of his territory and inside ours where we have a lot more options to respond. You can't exactly just send a swat team into the middle of Gaza.

This is war though. Of course the Israeli government is placing a lot more value on the lives of it's own people than on Gazan lives.

The US gov. does not bomb the crap out of a California barrio or project because of street gangs operating there. The gangs are in their home turf.

Gaza is not an independent nation, it was always under Israel control as Israel controlled who and what got in and out. Israel controlled the waters and the air. Gaza could not become independent nation. Egypt severely restricted access in and out of Gaza, to please Israel so that the US would continue to support Sisi and give Egypt billions. Gaza was in effect a giant prison. So Israel is not dealing with another nation when they deal with Gaza.

An Israeli adviser to Ehud Olmert once said Israel did not want to starve the Palestinians in Gaza, only put them on a diet. Israel even did a study on the minimum number of calories Palestinians need to not starve.

 

[kflo]

so you must really idnetify as a war crimes dont exist and there are no innocents in Palestine to reply to this post.

sorry it hit so close to home.

Is this English? I have no idea how this is a response to my post.

 

[kflo]

The pushback against Israel being a "Jewish state" is because they keep proclaiming "We're the only free, equal democracy in the Middle East!"

Clearly not true when you have a host of laws that prioritizes one religious group over another. They literally have laws that dictate who Arab citizens of Israel can marry, what land they can live on, and a whole bunch of laws that are completely discriminatory and designed to keep the population low. That's not an equal democracy.

I don't question Israel's right to exist at all and many do not either. That's just a strawman people keep using to detract from legitimate criticism. Such as their illegal settlement building.

C’mon. That’s NOT the pushback against Israel being a Jewish state. Again, they are FAR more democratic, FAR more religious freedoms, than most ME nations. So why the singling out of Israel……

 

[djacobox372]

The US gov. does not bomb the crap out of a California barrio or project because of street gangs operating there. The gangs are in their home turf.

Gaza is not an independent nation, it was always under Israel control as Israel controlled who and what got in and out. Israel controlled the waters and the air. Gaza could not become independent nation. Egypt severely restricted access in and out of Gaza, to please Israel so that the US would continue to support Sisi and give Egypt billions. Gaza was in effect a giant prison. So Israel is not dealing with another nation when they deal with Gaza.

An Israeli adviser to Ehud Olmert once said Israel did not want to starve the Palestinians in Gaza, only put them on a diet. Israel even did a study on the minimum number of calories Palestinians need to not starve.

It's interesting... your description of Gaza in relation it Israel would likely to also apply to Canada vs. the US. Luckily Canada knows better than to attack the US.

If Israel has so much control over Gaza over the last nearly two decades, how in the hell did they build all those tunnels?

 

[kflo]

The US gov. does not bomb the crap out of a California barrio or project because of street gangs operating there. The gangs are in their home turf.

Gaza is not an independent nation, it was always under Israel control as Israel controlled who and what got in and out. Israel controlled the waters and the air. Gaza could not become independent nation. Egypt severely restricted access in and out of Gaza, to please Israel so that the US would continue to support Sisi and give Egypt billions. Gaza was in effect a giant prison. So Israel is not dealing with another nation when they deal with Gaza.

An Israeli adviser to Ehud Olmert once said Israel did not want to starve the Palestinians in Gaza, only put them on a diet. Israel even did a study on the minimum number of calories Palestinians need to not starve.

How do you think Hamas would operate in Gaza with open borders and trade and military? Gaza is what is in in large part because they are ruled by a terrorist group building a city for terror.

 

[Hog-train]

C’mon. That’s NOT the pushback against Israel being a Jewish state. Again, they are FAR more democratic, FAR more religious freedoms, than most ME nations. So why the singling out of Israel……

That's not the pushback from me and a lot of other people in the West and most normal, average people in other countries as well. Ask any Western person, the vast majority would not be calling for the total annihilation of Israel. It's an over exaggeration used to justify unethical war crimes.

I do not care if they have more freedom than some Arab shithole theocracies. The point is: they're still not a true democracy like they claim. It's simply untrue. Right of return for all Jewish people around the world coupled with highly discriminatory laws designed to limit the Arab population. Even extending to discriminatory marriage laws. That's not democracy.

Why single out Israel? Because they're the prime recipient of tons of military aid using my taxpayer money in policies I do not agree with. They've been an occupying force for half a century by now and keep stealing more land via settlements.

They keep wanting to steal land, go ahead - I just don't want my country to support it with aid and support. Nor covertly endorse it in the UN.

 

[Hog-train]

If Israel has so much control over Gaza over the last nearly two decades, how in the hell did they build all those tunnels?

FYI Netanyahu and right wing elements of Israelis government have been propping up and partially funding Hamas. Netanyahu literally said as much as recently as 2019. They wanted to keep Hamas in power so it can serve as a counterbalance for other Palestinian parties like the PLO who want a true two state solution.

Israel does not want a two state solution.

 

[fishNjits]

Totally agree. Israel deserves criticism and pressure from the west to adopt an actual free democracy.

That said, I think it's a point that is unrelated to who one sides with in this conflict, as the Arab nation that the Palestinians desire would likely be even more discriminatory.

There is a challenge to get Jews to accept Arabs as anything more than a powerless minority in Irael, but the challenge to get Arabs to accept Jews in the same situation is far greater.

Within Israel proper, what do you think the Israelis don’t do that disqualifies Israel from being “an actual free democracy”?

 

[MTT]

How do you think Hamas would operate in Gaza with open borders and trade and military? Gaza is what is in in large part because they are ruled by a terrorist group building a city for terror.

That's the fun part. I hear open-air prison but never the reason for Israel enforcing an embargo. That border wall Israel erected? Suicide bombers and terrorist infiltrators. HAMAS can end this by surrendering and releasing their hostages. Also, the comparisons to previous conventional vs guerilla wars are ridiculous. Gaza is a tiny strip of land in comparison. Israel can and will destroy the tunnel network.

 

[Deleted member 267581]

Totally agree. Israel deserves criticism and pressure from the west to adopt an actual free democracy.

That said, I think it's a point that is unrelated to who one sides with in this conflict, as the Arab nation that the Palestinians desire would likely be even more discriminatory.

There is a challenge to get Jews to accept Arabs as anything more than a powerless minority in Irael, but the challenge to get Arabs to accept Jews in the same situation is far greater.

Arabs in Israel get arrested for posting anything about Palestine.