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Israel blames UN for Gaza aid shortage, says Hamas exploiting famine claims at talks

UN says Israel not creating conditions to enable safe aid delivery, while rejecting half of the requests it submits to transport aid within Gaza; 8 troops wounded in 'operational accident' in north Gaza

www.timesofisrael.com

 

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More info regarding the other " armed looting gangs "
Once again from


Michael Milshtein, the head of the Palestinian Studies Forum at Tel Aviv University. Milshtein was previously the head of the Department for Palestinian Affairs in the I.D.F.’s military-intelligence wing, and a senior adviser to the commander of COGAT, which supervises civilian policy in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.


You mentioned the Israeli government promoting gangs in Gaza as an alternative power base to Hamas. Can you talk a little bit about who these people are, what the government is doing, and what you see as the strategy here?

It’s very simple and not so clever. The basic steps were to give weapons to all kinds of gangs in Gaza that are not affiliated with Hamas. The assessment was that they hate Hamas and that they will challenge Hamas in several places. The most prominent gang is Abu Shabab. [Abu Shabab denies receiving Israeli weapons.] It’s a clan in the eastern part of Rafah. Many of them are criminals. Several of them have had dealings with ISIS. I always compare it to the experience of the Americans with the Taliban, during the nineteen-eighties. The U.S. gave the Taliban a lot of weapons and money when they were against the Soviets, but after the war in Afghanistan ended the Taliban used the weapons against the Americans.

Here it’s even worse. First of all, it’s quite an assumption that gangs can replace Hamas. And by the way, the gangs are concentrated in specific places and only focussed on local interests and developments in their own neighborhoods. They do not want to be the alternative to Hamas in Gaza. And second, once again, it’s very risky. You are taking on very suspicious organizations or groups, and you rely on them. And when Netanyahu was asked about this, he didn’t deny it, and instead just said they are enemies of Hamas, and what’s wrong with that? There is something very wrong with it. Unfortunately, we don’t learn from our history or from American history.

 

[Snubnoze707]

He sent me a DM, told me he couldn't post in the war room because he didn't have the 500 required messages yet.

Ah yeah, totally forgot about that rule on here. Been so long ago that I passed 500...

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

The only way for these people to live with themselves with what is going on is to completely deny its existence.

 

[avenue94]

I've come across videos going over Hamas using fake images etc. I don't have it on hand but I thought this was common knowledge.

I am not disputing there're also a lot to suffering from a month long blockade, logistical issues, etc...

Oh I am pretty sure Israel wants all or part of Gaza. It wants to control the border with Egypt, etc. I am not that naive.

I will say that myself and some other posters as well will be far more vocal calling to the end of the war once Hamas releases hostages and surrenders. There will be no more reason to continue. I know my support for Israel's continued war actions will stop that's for sure.

You're missing the bigger picture here. It's not a month long blockade targeting civilians it's a years long blockade that ramped up during this war and again recently. Populations don't enter famine or mass starvation in a month.

 

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Israel trying to deflect blame for widespread starvation in Gaza

Official and ministers either deny that Palestinians are being affected by hunger or say it is not Israel’s fault

www.theguardian.com

Israel trying to deflect blame for widespread starvation in Gaza​

Officials and ministers either deny that Palestinians are being affected by hunger or say it is not Israel’s fault


Israel is pursuing an extensive PR effort to remove itself from blame for the starvation and killing of Palestinian civilians in Gaza in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is responsible.

As dozens of governments, UN organisations and other international figures have detailed Israel’s culpability, officials and ministers in Israel have attempted to suggest that there is no hunger in Gaza, that if hunger exists it is not Israel’s fault, or to blame Hamas or the UN and aid organisations for problems with distribution of aid.


And while Israel has consistently tried to blame Hamas for intercepting food aid, that claim has been undermined by a leaked US assessment, seen by Reuters, which found no evidence of systematic theft by the Palestinian militant group of US-funded humanitarian supplies.

Examining 156 incidents of theft or loss of US-funded supplies reported by US aid partner organisations between October 2023 and May 2025, it said it found “no reports alleging Hamas” benefited from US-funded supplies.

Israel has also recently intensified efforts to blame the UN for the problems with aid distribution, citing a “lack of cooperation from the international community and international organisations”. Israel’s claims are contradicted by clear evidence of its efforts to undermine aid distribution.

 

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Well... im sure these airdrops will go well......


Israel has announced it will allow foreign countries to airdrop aid into Gaza, as the UN's World Food Programme says around one in three people in Gaza are without food.

This comes as hospitals in Gaza record several more deaths from malnutrition, bringing the total number of people in Gaza who have died from starvation to 122.

Israel has been restricting food, water and medical supplies into Gaza, claiming Hamas are looting supplies - despite a US report which found no proof of such actions.

 

[DEVILsSON]

You ever stop to think he was being sarcastic?

San Marino wasn't sarcastic. Look at the context/totality of that post. He was having a beef with another poster and included Koya into it. I think he's a Russian troll and doesn't post very much in the Gaza thread so he doesn't have the first clue where people stand.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Wrong thread

 

[Tayski]

@DEVILsSON Is this done with AI?

Gaza: 'I witnessed war crimes,' former worker at GHF aid site tells BBC

A retired US soldier reveals why he quit working at Israel and US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid hubs.

www.bbc.com

There's also plenty of raw footage of Palestinians getting shot at food delivery points, which are too graphic to post here, but with a bit of research you'll easily find them.

ps: I work with AI generated contents as a profession, and I can tell you that first video I posted isn't fake or AI generated.

 

[DEVILsSON]

@DEVILsSON Is this done with AI?

Gaza: 'I witnessed war crimes,' former worker at GHF aid site tells BBC

A retired US soldier reveals why he quit working at Israel and US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid hubs.

www.bbc.com

There's also plenty of raw footage of Palestinians getting shot at food delivery points, which are too graphic to post here, but with a bit of research you'll easily find them.

ps: I work with AI generated contents as a profession, and I can tell you that first video I posted isn't fake or AI generated.

I feel like you're strawmanning what I'm saying to make it easier to argue against.

Did I say everything posted was AI, fake, etc? Did I ever say no one is starving in Gaza? Everything is a hoax? No, I didn't, but I said it has been a major MO for Hamas to use many cynical manipulation tactics.

There's a shit ton of fucked up shit happening. I know it. That's the sad reality of war.

There's also a bunch of shit mixed in to garner sympathy and drive Hamas's political goals. There have been multiple occasions where Hamas announced some random attack and dozens killed and then it turns out to be bullshit. Completely made up. I posted some examples which I doubt you bothered to watch or read. It's fine I get it our biases drive out viewpoints and attention spans.

Hamas have attacked distribution points with sporadic attacks to keep staff on edge which in turn causes overreactions by the IDF, mercs and orgs tasked with food distribution. Yes that causes unnecessary deaths. It's easy to have things black and white, good and bad, but it's a lot harder to operate in the complicated real world realities.

 

[Tayski]

I feel like you're strawmanning what I'm saying to make it easier to argue against.

Did I say everything posted was AI, fake, etc? Did I ever say no one is starving in Gaza? Everything is a hoax? No, I didn't, but I said it has been a major MO for Hamas to use many cynical manipulation tactics.

There's a shit ton of fucked up shit happening. I know it. That's the sad reality of war.

There's also a bunch of shit mixed in to garner sympathy and drive Hamas's political goals. There have been multiple occasions where Hamas announced some random attack and dozens killed and then it turns out to be bullshit. Completely made up. I posted some examples which I doubt you bothered to watch or read. It's fine I get it our biases drive out viewpoints and attention spans.

Hamas have attacked distribution points with sporadic attacks to keep staff on edge which in turn causes overreactions by the IDF, mercs and orgs tasked with food distribution. Yes that causes unnecessary deaths. It's easy to have things black and white, good and bad, but it's a lot harder to operate in the complicated real world realities.

The issue with your argumentation about Hamas making stuff up (which all sides do during war), is that in this case the humanitarian crisis and famine being reported is not a hoax by Hamas, it's actually reportered by several Western Countries including allies of Israel who are urging it to stop its blockade and stop shooting at Palestinians near distribution points, as well as dozens and dozens of Western reporters and Western NGO's also reporting it all.

I get it, you want to not think black and white and take things with a pinch of salt, but here you're being overly skeptical to the point that hearing you sounds like you're describing a conspiracy theory.

It's not that complicated out of logic to understand how people are starving when they run out of food and there's a blockage with most food aids stopped from entering, while there are on-the-ground reporters from our countries showing it all on camera.

I'm not sure what more it would take to make you realise what's happening, other than perhaps physically taking you there for a walk around and visiting those people starving to death, hospitals, etc. And even then, you'd probably say it's all fabricated and it's fake humans dying, it's all orchestrated with AI and special effects. Get a grip.

 

[Koya]

I feel like you're strawmanning what I'm saying to make it easier to argue against.

Did I say everything posted was AI, fake, etc? Did I ever say no one is starving in Gaza? Everything is a hoax? No, I didn't, but I said it has been a major MO for Hamas to use many cynical manipulation tactics.

There's a shit ton of fucked up shit happening. I know it. That's the sad reality of war.

There's also a bunch of shit mixed in to garner sympathy and drive Hamas's political goals. There have been multiple occasions where Hamas announced some random attack and dozens killed and then it turns out to be bullshit. Completely made up. I posted some examples which I doubt you bothered to watch or read. It's fine I get it our biases drive out viewpoints and attention spans.

Hamas have attacked distribution points with sporadic attacks to keep staff on edge which in turn causes overreactions by the IDF, mercs and orgs tasked with food distribution. Yes that causes unnecessary deaths. It's easy to have things black and white, good and bad, but it's a lot harder to operate in the complicated real world realities.

"The sad reality of war" lol. Dude you're such an hypocrite.

Yes you say at every news of IDF crimes that it's AI/fake/Hamas/propaganda/manipulation

You do.

Stop running circles and sugarcoating ethnic cleansing and tell.us what you really think. We all understood what it is.

 

[DEVILsSON]

"The sad reality of war" lol. Dude you're such an hypocrite.

Yes you say at every news of IDF crimes that it's AI/fake/Hamas/propaganda/manipulation

You do.

Stop running circles and sugarcoating ethnic cleansing and tell.us what you really think. We all understood what it is.

All your Gaza posts are melodramatic and almost as a rule have low quality sourcing. It's almost always some IG or whatever social media post. They are meant to emotionally manipulate the viewers. It's working quite well. Hamas are masters at creating narratives and manipulating the Western audience.

As I said time and time again it's not black and white even though to you it is.

Are you going to pretend that Hamas have never made up casualties or whole incidents?

Never used AI?

Never misattributed images and videos?

Never used actors (including children) in their social media posts?

I can be sympathetic to the Palestinian suffering. I can be sympathetic to you and your family in the WB having to deal with crazy shit.

I can also repeatedly acknowledge the complicated situation on the ground. It's not black and white. I will absolutely admit IDF have done some fucked up shit. I doubt you'll ever admit Hamas have attacked distribution points and directly triggered some of the actions that followed. I doubt you'll acknowledge fake info Hamas have released.

You're entitled to your opinions/feelings and far be it for me to try to change how you feel with as much connection as you have to the area.

It's too easy to demonize someone you disagree with.

 

[DEVILsSON]

The issue with your argumentation about Hamas making stuff up (which all sides do during war), is that in this case the humanitarian crisis and famine being reported is not a hoax by Hamas, it's actually reportered by several Western Countries including allies of Israel who are urging it to stop its blockade and stop shooting at Palestinians near distribution points, as well as dozens and dozens of Western reporters and Western NGO's also reporting it all.

I get it, you want to not think black and white and take things with a pinch of salt, but here you're being overly skeptical to the point that hearing you sounds like you're describing a conspiracy theory.

It's not that complicated out of logic to understand how people are starving when they run out of food and there's a blockage with most food aids stopped from entering, while there are on-the-ground reporters from our countries showing it all on camera.

I'm not sure what more it would take to make you realise what's happening, other than perhaps physically taking you there for a walk around and visiting those people starving to death, hospitals, etc. And even then, you'd probably say it's all fabricated and it's fake humans dying, it's all orchestrated with AI and special effects. Get a grip.

Your post resorted to little more than editorializing. That's fine. You have strong feelings on the topic.

I never said everything that's happening in Gaza is a hoax. Some of it is a hoax. That's a matter of how Hamas operates. If you're going to pretend every melodramatic IG video is factual then I have a bridge to sell you. I don't need to walk in the destruction of Gaza to know people are suffering and some are starving.

There hasn't been a blockade for a while now. There are some logistical issues. Israel has vowed to improve on that. I hope they will be true to their word.

But also don't think I didn't see you ask for some evidence to what I was saying in my earlier posts, I looked some of that information up and provided it and then you proceeded to ignore all of it. But I get it you feel like you have righteous indignation. You and Koya can paint me as some Israeli apologist/hypocrite because why bother with any type of nuance when you can just paint someone as one negative blanket thing and not bother exploring any of the "salt of grain" so to speak.

 

[Koya]

All your Gaza posts are melodramatic

You should have stopped there. Dozens of thousands of dead, more under the rubbles, children literally dying of hunger, every international aid organization saying so..but hey it's "melodramatic".

There IS a blockade, hudnreds of trucks can't enter still, they go in at a water drop rate. Again it's established.

There are death point where Palestinians AND ISRAELI SOLDIERS say they are killing the Gazans gathering there. But hey it's an hoax.

There is a plan right in the open by the israeli political brass to put all Gazans in a concentration camp in rafah. But hey it's melodramatic.

Israeli plan for forced transfer of Gaza’s population ‘a blueprint for crimes against humanity’

Military ordered to turn ruins of Rafah into ‘humanitarian city’ but experts call the plan an internment camp for all Palestinians in Gaza

www.theguardian.com

Israel’s defence minister has laid out plans to force all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp on the ruins of Rafah, in a scheme that legal experts and academics described as a blueprint for crimes against humanity.

Israel Katz said he has ordered Israel’s military to prepare for establishing a camp, which he called a “humanitarian city”, on the ruins of the city of Rafah, Haaretz newspaper reported.

Palestinians would go through “security screening” before entering, and once inside would not be allowed to leave, Katz said at a briefing for Israeli journalists.

Israeli forces would control the perimeter of the site and initially “move” 600,000 Palestinians into the area – mostly people currently displaced in the al-Mawasi area.

Eventually the entire population of Gaza would be housed there, and Israel aims to implement “the emigration plan, which will happen”, Haaretz quoted him saying.

If 1% of that happened in israel you wouldn't find talking about it melodramatic.

Keep pretending it's AI or Khhamas.

You're losing credibility FAST on those boards. As a serious poster and as a human with a heart too. You don't realize it.

You're hopeless and not worth anyone's time. The only ones still liking your posts are the squad of israeli-americans that are 100% fine with Gaza being evacuated as they said from day 1, or the right wings fanatics who are fine with it because "kill Arabs good". Your liberal niche is deserted and empty.

Here, that sums you up :

 

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Airdrops of aid to Gaza 'inefficient' and a 'distraction', UN says​

The head of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) has strongly criticised the use of airdrops to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza, calling them “inefficient” and a “distraction” from addressing the root causes of the crisis.

“Airdrops will not reverse the deepening starvation,” said UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini. “They are expensive, inefficient and can even kill starving civilians. It is a distraction and screensmoke”.

A manmade hunger can only be addressed by political will. Lift the siege, open the gates and guarantee safe movements and dignified access to people in need.

Driving aid through is much easier, more effective, faster, cheaper and safer. It’s more dignified for the people of Gaza.

His comments come as the UK steps up involvement in international efforts to deliver aid by air.

On Friday, Sir Keir Starmer said the UK was working with Jordan on plans to carry out airdrops, after more than a third of MPs signed a letter calling for the government to recognise a Palestinian state.

A small team of British military planners and logisticians is also being deployed to assist Jordan with the logistics of delivering aid, the BBC reported.

 

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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-news-07-26-25

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Live Updates

Gazans starve as Israeli protesters condemn faltering ceasefire effort​

By Laura Sharman, Billy Stockwell, Olivia Kemp and Tori B. Powell, CNN
Updated 3:07 PM EDT, Sat July 26, 2025




Gaza’s hunger crisis deepens as more children suffer from ...
02:46

What we're covering​

• Starvation crisis: More Gazans, including babies, are dying of starvation, as Israel’s plan allowing foreign nations to drop aid into the enclave has been met with skepticism on the ground. Airdrops are an expensive and inefficient “distraction” that will not address the crisis as long as Israel’s siege continues, the head of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees said.

• Protests in Israel: Anti-war protesters are marching again in Israeli cities today, while the families of hostages held in Gaza rally against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for failing to bring home the captured. Netanyahu has faced renewed unrest this week over both the conflict and the plight of hostages.

• Ceasefire talks stall: The US has blamed Hamas for a breakdown in ceasefire negotiations, with President Donald Trump telling Israel it is now time to “finish the job” in Gaza. Hamas officials said the group was surprised by the US decision not to continue talks, claiming a breakthrough had been “close.”

 

[Tayski]

Your post resorted to little more than editorializing. That's fine. You have strong feelings on the topic.

I never said everything that's happening in Gaza is a hoax. Some of it is a hoax. That's a matter of how Hamas operates. If you're going to pretend every melodramatic IG video is factual then I have a bridge to sell you. I don't need to walk in the destruction of Gaza to know people are suffering and some are starving.

There hasn't been a blockade for a while now. There are some logistical issues. Israel has vowed to improve on that. I hope they will be true to their word.

But also don't think I didn't see you ask for some evidence to what I was saying in my earlier posts, I looked some of that information up and provided it and then you proceeded to ignore all of it. But I get it you feel like you have righteous indignation. You and Koya can paint me as some Israeli apologist/hypocrite because why bother with any type of nuance when you can just paint someone as one negative blanket thing and not bother exploring any of the "salt of grain" so to speak.

What do you mean there hasn't been a blockade for a while? The blockade by Israel is still on, hence why Western countries are urging it to stop the blockage and let aids through. Instead they now have to resort to air drops to find a way around it.

Who said I ignored the contents you posted? You're just assuming what you'd love to be true here.

By the way, the UN has confirmed that more than 1,000 innocent Palestianians have been killed by IDF trying to collect food from the food collection points since late May until now. Or is that also a made-up propaganda? Or perhaps you'll say something along the lines of "tough shit, shit happens in war".

Couple of new articles for you btw:

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-news-07-26-25

Gaza aid site offered a 'women only' day. It didn't stop the killing

Families say mothers Mary Sheikh al-Eid and Khadija Abu Anza were shot while seeking aid from GHF station in southern Gaza.

www.bbc.com

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Hamas are pretty good at teaching Israelis to hate.

Hamas 'gang-raped and executed' October 7 victims, new report claims

Many returning from captivity described 'forced nudity, physical and verbal harassment, sexual assaults and threats of forced marriage', a new report says

www.dailymail.co.uk

And vice versa , only one side is currently exterminating the other though