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International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war Megathread

No amount of false equivalents will excuse what Hamas have done and continue to do. I don't think Mandela's party murdered civilians in cold blood Oct 7th style. Hamas would have likely got a pass from the Western liberals had they done their usual terrorist attacks on military targets or even limited random strike on civilians. But no, these psychopaths decided to get high and go murder, torture, maim, rape, etc women, children, babies, elderly, etc....in the most gruesome ways.....

I don't think I have ever argued that Americans or Western hands are clean. Yet I doubt you'd find this type of terroristic massacre style planning by Western regimes in recent past.


Hamas have killed less than 3000 people in 30 years the IDF has killed 32,000 in 4 months. Lmfao yeah
 
As the country marks six months into the war against Hamas, the IDF publishes new data on its operations in the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and Lebanon, from the number of terror operatives killed to the number of sites struck.

According to the data, more than 13,000 Hamas operatives and members of other terror groups have been killed by the IDF in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war, in addition to some 1,000 terrorists inside Israel on October 7, when gunmen rampaged through southern communities massacring some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducting 253 to Gaza.

The Hamas-run health ministry has said over 33,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, though the figure cannot be independently verified and is believed to include both civilians and Hamas members killed in Gaza, including as a consequence of terror groups' own rocket misfires.

The IDF's data says the military has killed five Hamas brigade commanders and those of an equivalent rank, as well as more than 20 battalion commanders. More than 100 Hamas company commanders and operatives with a similar rank have also been killed, according to the data.

In Lebanon, the IDF says it has killed more than 330 terror operatives, mostly members of the Iran-backed Hezbollah. The number includes 30 Hezbollah commanders, according to the IDF.

Some 32,000 targets have been struck in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war, including more than 3,600 that were discovered as Hamas sites during the fighting.

In Lebanon, some 4,700 Hezbollah positions have been hit, according to the IDF's data.

Since the beginning of the war, some 9,100 projectiles fired from Gaza crossed the border into Israel, alongside 3,100 from Lebanon, and around 35 from Syria. These figures do not include rockets — said by Israel to be at least in the hundreds — launched by Gazan terror groups that misfired and landed in the Strip.

The IDF says the Military Intelligence Directorate's Unit 504 has interrogated some 4,600 Palestinian suspects in the Gaza Strip, many of whom were arrested and brought to Israel for further questioning.

A total of 604 soldiers, reservists and local security officers have been killed and another 3,193 have been wounded since October 7. Of them, 260 were killed and 1,552 were wounded during the ground offensive in Gaza.

The IDF also lists 41 soldiers killed due to friendly fire in Gaza and another military-related accidents.

Since October 7, in the West Bank, the IDF says troops have arrested more than 3,700 wanted Palestinians, including more than 1,600 affiliated with Hamas. Another 420 gunmen have been killed by troops in the West Bank, the IDF says.

The IDF says 70 brigade-level raids have been carried out in the West Bank, and 19 homes of Palestinians accused of terrorism have been demolished
 
Quite the level of discourse you’ve resorted to. You’ve turned into quite the speaker….

Lol at “the priority is not Hamas”……that’s your problem.

The idf making mistakes in war is……..war. It happens in every war. Every one. Israel should be taking steps to ensure the probability of mistakes is near 0. But they still have a fighting enemy who doesn’t care about casualties.

Yes, innocent lives are at stake. So is the future of the region. Again, you can’t seem to see past the next day, and you have no answer for what comes next. You want to sweep terrorism to the side, look past hostages, and just sing kumbaya.

Hamas is accountable for starting this war, and keeping hostages, and fighting amongst civilians from civilian spaces and following no rules of war and not surrendering. They are accountable for that, whether you want to accept it or not.


Targeting innocent civilians isn’t apart of war. Only terrorists do that
 
Quite the level of discourse you’ve resorted to. You’ve turned into quite the speaker….

Lol at “the priority is not Hamas”……that’s your problem.

The idf making mistakes in war is……..war. It happens in every war. Every one. Israel should be taking steps to ensure the probability of mistakes is near 0. But they still have a fighting enemy who doesn’t care about casualties.

Yes, innocent lives are at stake. So is the future of the region. Again, you can’t seem to see past the next day, and you have no answer for what comes next. You want to sweep terrorism to the side, look past hostages, and just sing kumbaya.

Hamas is accountable for starting this war, and keeping hostages, and fighting amongst civilians from civilian spaces and following no rules of war and not surrendering. They are accountable for that, whether you want to accept it or not.

Who doesn't accept that Hamas are accountable for what they're doing? Nobody.
Who doesn't accept that the IDF are accountable for what they're doing? Quite a few people, or so it seems.

The future of the region is at stake? This is the kind of populist nonsense that makes me understand why you've aligned with people like Boris Johnson here.

I've read a few statements like this, the future of the region is at stake, calling for a ceasefire would be 'abandoning' Israel, what nonsense. Tell me all about Hamas' current capabilities, please, and how they're an existential threat to Israel? Because if they're not, there's absolutely no reason why the IDF can't turn it all right down right now. They don't automatically get to build arms back up to the level they can repeat the October attacks - that would take a lot of time, time during which Gaza can be monitored very heavily by Israel, the United States and other allies to ensure that doesn't happen. Keep hunting Hamas members and officials, but outside of the disgraceful and reckless levels of bombardment so many innocent Gazans are being subjected to and slaughtered in.

Meanwhile, the reality of your 'the future of the region is at stake' is seeing bloodthirsty extremists in the Likud regime bring the region to the brink of all out war. So yeah, you might actually be right, the future of the region might be at stake if Israel are allowed to continue on their idiotic and senseless war path.

But you continue hiding behind nonsensical populist talking points and adopting right wing narratives.
 
"Our leadership is cowardly and driven by political consideration, which is why this deal has not happened yet"
"Prime Minister, war cabinet, and coalition members: Look at yourself in the mirror and say if your hands didn't spill blood."

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Fuck Israeli extremists.

"But it's all Hamas' fault for all mistakes" cry Sherdoggers who can't think.
I mean they were definitely deserving of 10/7 amirite?
 
Who doesn't accept that Hamas are accountable for what they're doing? Nobody.
Who doesn't accept that the IDF are accountable for what they're doing? Quite a few people, or so it seems.

The future of the region is at stake? This is the kind of populist nonsense that makes me understand why you've aligned with people like Boris Johnson here.

I've read a few statements like this, the future of the region is at stake, calling for a ceasefire would be 'abandoning' Israel, what nonsense. Tell me all about Hamas' current capabilities, please, and how they're an existential threat to Israel? Because if they're not, there's absolutely no reason why the IDF can't turn it all right down right now. They don't automatically get to build arms back up to the level they can repeat the October attacks - that would take a lot of time, time during which Gaza can be monitored very heavily by Israel, the United States and other allies to ensure that doesn't happen. Keep hunting Hamas members and officials, but outside of the disgraceful and reckless levels of bombardment so many innocent Gazans are being subjected to and slaughtered in.

Meanwhile, the reality of your 'the future of the region is at stake' is seeing bloodthirsty extremists in the Likud regime bring the region to the brink of all out war. So yeah, you might actually be right, the future of the region might be at stake if Israel are allowed to continue on their idiotic and senseless war path.

But you continue hiding behind nonsensical populist talking points and adopting right wing narratives.

You don’t seem to be able to acknowledge that Hamas is STILL the governing body of Gaza. They represent the people of Gaza. They aren’t just a rogue terror group. They still rule over the people of Gaza and make the decisions for Gaza. They waged war. And continue to fight that war.

Again, guys like you don’t really care about the future of the people of Gaza. It’s why you never even discuss it. You’d be happy going back to 10/6, with Gaza isolated and the people under rule of Hamas, and blaming israel for the restrictions on Gaza and the plight of the people there. And Hamas will continue plotting, investing in terror and not their people, and you’ll feel good about siding against Israel for the situation there.

It’s why you don’t discuss what comes on day 2. It’s easy to just cry “ceasefire”. But that’s just a cop out because it’s only day 1. It solves nothing. Day 2+ is the hard part. You don’t care about that part.
 
Israel not Jews you anti semtie!

So they went from getting ethnically cleansed by nazis to ethnically cleansing, illegally occupying land and suppressing the only place that welcomed them post holocaust? Cool take.

I put a picture in your post above so you can illustrate the occupation and genocide side you are supporting

This is you right here, Soyjack:

GKkZofZWsAAidME
 
This is you right here, Soyjack:

GKkZofZWsAAidME
"Israel is a country that has no place on our land,"

"We must remove that country,"

"The existence of Israel is what causes all that pain, blood, and tears. It's Israel, not us. We are the victims of the occupation. Full stop.

"Nobody should blame us. On October 7, October 10, October one million - everything we do is justified."
 
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Your entire discourse is why Israel must continue to kill the innocent people of Gaza.

Delete account.
You don’t even engage in discourse. You’ve turned into just a dick in this thread. You don’t want to discuss. You want to rage against the other side. Without actually discussing the topic.

Like I said, you don’t engage in what comes next. Just day 1. You don’t care about the future. You’ll blame Israel when the time comes.
 
You don’t seem to be able to acknowledge that Hamas is STILL the governing body of Gaza. They represent the people of Gaza. They aren’t just a rogue terror group. They still rule over the people of Gaza and make the decisions for Gaza. They waged war. And continue to fight that war.

either Hamas is a terrorist organization or it’s a legitimate government. What you like to do is use each term that makes whatever horror Israel has committed acceptable.





Again, guys like you don’t really care about the future of the people of Gaza. It’s why you never even discuss it.



You’d be happy going back to 10/6, with Gaza isolated and the people under rule of Hamas, and blaming israel for the restrictions on Gaza and the plight of the people there. And Hamas will continue plotting, investing in terror and not their people, and you’ll feel good about siding against Israel for the situation there.

No one with any sense has said pre 10/7 was acceptable. Gaza was being blockaded for 20 years.

What you like to do like Israel does is divide the Palestinian people into two seperate groups as if they have two separate issues: they don’t.

Palestinian people are being oppressed and things weren’t fine; Israel is dividing up the West Bank piece by piece.
It’s why you don’t discuss what comes on day 2. It’s easy to just cry “ceasefire”. But that’s just a cop out because it’s only day 1. It solves nothing. Day 2+ is the hard part. You don’t care about that part.


Lmfao do you actually believe the shit you write? No one is going to talk about day 2 if people just continue to die on day 1. No one wants to talk about day 2 when the West Bank is being illegally settled.
 
You don’t even engage in discourse. You’ve turned into just a dick in this thread. You don’t want to discuss. You want to rage against the other side. Without actually discussing the topic.

Like I said, you don’t engage in what comes next. Just day 1. You don’t care about the future. You’ll blame Israel when the time comes.


I think what everyone has seen in this thread is your a dishonest actor here.

You’re Bibi’s fleshlight. He nuts in ya your mouth and you can’t help but swallow the shit he gives you
 
Who doesn't accept that Hamas are accountable for what they're doing? Nobody.
Who doesn't accept that the IDF are accountable for what they're doing? Quite a few people, or so it seems.

The future of the region is at stake? This is the kind of populist nonsense that makes me understand why you've aligned with people like Boris Johnson here.

I've read a few statements like this, the future of the region is at stake, calling for a ceasefire would be 'abandoning' Israel, what nonsense. Tell me all about Hamas' current capabilities, please, and how they're an existential threat to Israel? Because if they're not, there's absolutely no reason why the IDF can't turn it all right down right now. They don't automatically get to build arms back up to the level they can repeat the October attacks - that would take a lot of time, time during which Gaza can be monitored very heavily by Israel, the United States and other allies to ensure that doesn't happen. Keep hunting Hamas members and officials, but outside of the disgraceful and reckless levels of bombardment so many innocent Gazans are being subjected to and slaughtered in.

Meanwhile, the reality of your 'the future of the region is at stake' is seeing bloodthirsty extremists in the Likud regime bring the region to the brink of all out war. So yeah, you might actually be right, the future of the region might be at stake if Israel are allowed to continue on their idiotic and senseless war path.

But you continue hiding behind nonsensical populist talking points and adopting right wing narratives.
He's been asked the same question about 100 times and every time he finds a way to avoid answering it before turning to personal abuse.
 
He's been asked the same question about 100 times and every time he finds a way to avoid answering it before turning to personal abuse.
Lol. Yeah, I’m the one turning to personal abuse……
 
You don’t even engage in discourse. You’ve turned into just a dick in this thread. You don’t want to discuss. You want to rage against the other side. Without actually discussing the topic.

Like I said, you don’t engage in what comes next. Just day 1. You don’t care about the future. You’ll blame Israel when the time comes.

That's not true. I literally said Israel can continue to hunt Hamas members, but it would have to look more like Mossad hunting down Nazis in a post-war environment.

But that doesn't allow for the continued mass murder of Palestinians, so you continue to be a dishonest actor and pretend I didn't say anything.

You've completely lost your way, there is no point engaging with you. You ignore everything that doesn't suit what you're saying and keep asking the same questions over and over no matter how often people answer them.
 
either Hamas is a terrorist organization or it’s a legitimate government. What you like to do is use each term that makes whatever horror Israel has committed acceptable.
They are a terrorist organization that governs Gaza. Those are 2 truths.
No one with any sense has said pre 10/7 was acceptable. Gaza was being blockaded for 20 years.
Yeah, see above. They elected a murderous terror regime to govern them. But you think they should have had full sovereignty and autonomy. It’s absurd fantasy.
What you like to do like Israel does is divide the Palestinian people into two seperate groups as if they have two separate issues: they don’t.

Palestinian people are being oppressed and things weren’t fine; Israel is dividing up the West Bank piece by piece.



Lmfao do you actually believe the shit you write? No one is going to talk about day 2 if people just continue to die on day 1. No one wants to talk about day 2 when the West Bank is being illegally settled.

The people voted in a separate governing body into Gaza.
 
That's not true. I literally said Israel can continue to hunt Hamas members, but it would have to look more like Mossad hunting down Nazis in a post-war environment.

But that doesn't allow for the continued mass murder of Palestinians, so you continue to be a dishonest actor and pretend I didn't say anything.

You've completely lost your way, there is no point engaging with you. You ignore everything that doesn't suit what you're saying and keep asking the same questions over and over no matter how often people answer them.
Mossad hunted down individual nazi’s for decades. But the nazi’s were not governing Germany. You see, the Nazi’s unconditionally surrendered, and were no longer a thing.

Imagine Germany never surrenders, and the allied forces simply ceased fire and left Germany to be rebuilt by…..the fuckin Nazi’s…….
 

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