Had a waiter confront me outside over a tip

[MikeMcMann]

Tipping culture is bullshit. I'm glad I have lived in England/Japan where we don't have this shit.

If I want to give someone more money for something, then that's my choice, it shouldn't be a "moral obligation".

the funny thing is you do not realize you are denied the option in the UK/Japan as the tip is built in to the hourly wage.

There are only two systems that I know of:

- Hourly wage is artificially low (in Ontario $2 below minimum wage) and servers rely on tips to get to minimum wage and above but you as the customer have discretion based on service level on how much per hour that person will make serving you

- Hourly wage is high building in the cost of tip per hour regardless of service level and with bad service or good you are paying the server regardless


Which of those two systems give you the choice in terms of adjusting the servers hourly wage while serving you?

 

[MikeMcMann]

I wish we didn't have to tip in the u.s it can be a pain in the ass.

would you instead feel better if every restaurant just posted a sign saying 'we are building the tip into every bill and you have no choice but to pay'?

Just curious as that is the only other option.

how is that my problem?

thats not the right question addressing the right issue.

This is a very linear debate. I have outlined the only two scenarios above that are options. People tip voluntarily or the restaurant forces you to pay it via higher wage.

I think most people would prefer it be optional so they can truly reward good service and not pay extra for bad service.

However there is an exploit available within the 'better' system of optional tipping. Read here about the Free-Rider Problem.

Those who refuse to tip in an optional system are basically exploiting the system as Free Riders. They can only get away with getting their meals at an artificially low price because others tip. They call those 'others' suckers but that is not the case. The system does not exist at all and reverts to 'built in tip' model if the majority do not tip and everyone loses (if you think tipping should be optional). So the non tip hides behind those who do tip not because they should, and not out of any moral indignation to tipping but because they can and they are cheap.

The Free-Rider problem exists in many areas and is not that complex to understand and people generally will not admit they are simply taking advantage of an exploit in the system to make others pay for service they are getting.

 

[TheGumby]

So I ask again, you think it's acceptable to spit or contaminate a customer's food which could cause them to be sick because they didn't tip you what you thought was warranted? What do you think would be an acceptable retaliation towards you by the customer if they ever found out?

Also you stated you make 52k as a server, how much of the tips do you report? I'm going to assume not 100% and far from it, but you can prove me wrong.

Lastly, would you still want the job if you would have to declare your entire income, as not reporting it is essentially stealing?

They Wont Ever Find Out. Once Again, Those That Are Offended By The notion Are Obviously those Who Know They Are Bleeding Dicks. Its Hard To accept The Fact and There Isnt Anything You Can Do About It

 

[TheGumby]

What I said is right and what he said is wrong.

As for my argument against your system, you just proved my point about American tipping/extortion with the above.

As I stated we didn't make the system. We know you are aware of the system. If you choose to go out to eat and pay the markup at a restraunt but decline to take part of the tipping system, yeah your an asshole and yes you will pay the price. It's similar to going to a movie thatre, I actually encourage people to buy from the concession because I'm aware that's how the business stays in operation and can actually grow. People like you undoubtedly sneak shit in purely because you are cheap. It's obvious

 

[ehtheist]

I almost never tip. I leave a dollar for exceptional service, letting them know they did a great job by giving them money I am in no way obligated to give. I believe they appreciate it - an added bonus on top of their ample wage they willingly agree to receive for their labor.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

Went to a restaurant with a few of my friends last night, just to grab a few drinks and appetizers, a place called BJ's.

We end up staying for about 4 hours, from about 6-10, and for the 3 of us our total ended up being almost $200 (mainly alcohol).

We usually try and go out once a month and every month it's someone else's turn to cover the bill, and this time it was my turn.

So, figuring that even tho it was $200, I figured it's not that fucking hard to bring out 3 damn drinks at a time and we only had 2 small appetizers. I only had $5 cash on me and decided that would suffice considering it was just mainly alcohol purchased.

So after I pay with my card, I leave the $5 on the table, we walk out and sit on the bench while my friends smokes a cigarette and we continue to catch up. The waiter comes out side a minute later in a frenzy, screaming about this and that and how I'm a cheap fuck and how I shouldn't go out to eat if I can't afford to tip and shoves me to the ground.

He ends up saying "$5 on a $200 bill is unacceptable and I should go fuck myself", and then he goes back inside. My friends ask if $5 is really all I left? And I said yes, and they said why didn't you leave a tip on the receipt with your card? So I guess they took his side in the matter and they talked me out of going inside the restaurant and complaining.

How much do you goes tip for drinks? Was I in the wrong?


Cliffs : Went out with friends
Drank a lot
Tipped $5 on $200 bill because mainly alcohol
Waiter tries to fight me outside

Yeah you are a piece of shit, and apparently a pussy who got shoved to the ground. That guy could of had three to four tables in the time he had to deal with your ass, and made 12 times that.
And talking shit on a dude who's a waiter for being a waiter is pretty lame, especially when you can't even show your financial prowess by tipping decently and then got punked out like a little bitch.

 

[The Catch-Wrestler]

stop trying to impose your subjective morality on others

What he said may be 'subjective', but it appears to be the opinion of the vast majority of sherdog users, as well.

You all know it's standard to tip 20%. You also should know US Labor Laws regarding their line of work.

And since when is being a waiter pathetic? Lol. We got nothing but lawyers and doctors in here, as usual... the sherdog millionare's club is back at it.

Who is normally working as a waiter? It's normally going to be a college-aged person who very well may be in school at the time. They contribute to the economy, they have a job, if they do a decent job, you tip them. It's common fucking sense.

If you can't tip then stay the fuck home. Hilarious how leaving a tip implies that you have some sort of vested interest in that waiter's financial situation. It's common decency for most hard-working people.

You can always leave a sub-par tip if they do a sub-par job. But in this case, where the service was apparently at least adequate, you leave an 'adequate' tip.

Fucking sherdog. Lol.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

and they said why didn't you leave a tip on the receipt with your card

Which is a very good question.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

I usually tip a $1 every other drink at the bar.

I would have hit up my friends for the cash, but I didn't really see the $5 as a problem. I'm not big on tipping for alcoholic beverages, and especially at BJ's where a Jack/Coke is already $10, fuck all that.

I hope you get bad service everywhere.

 

[Twelve75]

the funny thing is you do not realize you are denied the option in the UK/Japan as the tip is built in to the hourly wage.

There are only two systems that I know of:

- Hourly wage is artificially low (in Ontario $2 below minimum wage) and servers rely on tips to get to minimum wage and above but you as the customer have discretion based on service level on how much per hour that person will make serving you

- Hourly wage is high building in the cost of tip per hour regardless of service level and with bad service or good you are paying the server regardless


Which of those two systems give you the choice in terms of adjusting the servers hourly wage while serving you?

How is the tip built into the hourly wage?
The pay for waiters in the UK is shit,there is nothing high about the average waiters hourly rate.

 

[Chules]

I hope you get bad service everywhere.

what a cunt you are.

can't wait for the day you go to prison

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

If you think about it, it's really upscale panhandling.

You're an idiot if the tipping system wasn't how it was then you'd be paying 30 dollars for your jack and comes. You know the service industry culture before you go out . if you can't tip don't go out .

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

what a cunt you are.

can't wait for the day you go to prison

I'm good i tip well, work a steady job and am not a pussy like you or TS.

 

[Theprospect26]

$5 tip on a $200 bill taking up hours of time at a table. What a prick lol.

 

[Turtlejuice]

I haven't read through the entire thread, so please correct me on this if I am wrong but waiters are paid under the minimum wage (depending where this takes place) and rely mostly on tips.

And it's customary to leave a 30%-20% tip for good service, which would be $40-$60. And given it was for alchohol and not food, that doesn't excuse a $5 tip which would be insulting.

As stated in the OP, they paid with a debit card and could have written the rest of the tip on the receipt.

So if you're looking to have drinks and be served, go to a bar knowing you're going to pay for the service. If you don't want to pay for service, go to a place that sells beer, and bring it back to your place.

Now does that excuse the waiter's actions? Hell No. That waiter should be fired, but he has reason to be pissed off. He gave good service for four hours to a group of customers and is only being compensated $1.25 a hour.

As far as I know, places are not allowed to pay below minimum wage. And if people are being paid below minimum wage, they need to take that up with their employer. You're suggesting a $60 tip for someone to bring 3 drinks from a bar to a table, that's like 20 minutes of work over the course of an evening.

Define good service. Is doing what you're employed to do good service, or is it service? From the story it doesn't sound like it was a question of not tipping for good service, sounds like a question of not tipping for service.

 

[Nowhere Fast]

If it means avoiding having to tip some entitled (NTTAWWT) I will gladly walk up to the chef, tell him what I want and then go and collect the meal and bring it to the table mineself.

Waiters are middle men, don't need them.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

In that case, you shouldn't. Where I live and have lived, servers typically get paid about 3 dollars an hour.

No he should probably higher cost of living.

 

[Chules]

I'm good i tip well, work a steady job and am not a pussy like you or TS.

post your w-2 you fucking dickhead.

what's your salary?

I earn more than you

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

If it means avoiding having to tip some entitled (NTTAWWT) I will gladly walk up to the chef, tell him what I want and then go and collect the meal and bring it to the table mineself.

Waiters are middle men, don't need them.

Here's the thing with that service would slow down to a snails speed, people often have a bunch of tweaks on their orders or in general don't know what they want so they like and prod for suggestions. Its real annoying, there would be a lot more soup Nazis if it were like this.

 

[Chules]

If it means avoiding having to tip some entitled (NTTAWWT) I will gladly walk up to the chef, tell him what I want and then go and collect the meal and bring it to the table mineself.

Waiters are middle men, don't need them.

Agreed!