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That's exactly the goal of the left
Crime Guy RNCed on NY subway dies.
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That's a pretty big caveat though. It's the most harmless way except if you make a mistake and kill someone.
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Which is why I won’t be helping you
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I mean you can’t really “make a mistake”. You just have to be really damn stupid
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It’s pretty straight forward. If you aren’t very well trained you don’t use a hold on someone. If you are very well trained you’re not allowed to use a hold on someone because if something goes wrong you should have known better.
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Do you really think this guy was very well trained and something just went wrong? You're convinced this guy couldn't have held the choke too long without realizing the guy needed oxygen?
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I think it’s stupid to expect some random dude to be trained enough to just automatically know when to let get. As such cases like this will just make them even less likely to jump in to help. So if you run into trouble now even fewer people will help
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Very sad story for both men. It’s tragic. On the other hand your self defence laws aren’t as retarded as ours.
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Because of blue cities.
And red states like Idaho have next to no murder. Other than those stabbings LoL
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Idaho murder rate per 100,000 is 2.2. NYC it's 3.5.
National average is 6.5
Plus you know, more people live in one borough of NYC than the entire state of Idaho. Literally more cows in Idaho than humans.
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NYC subway passengers hid, prayed during Jordan Neely’s ‘insanely threatening’ rant before deadly chokehold: court docs
Train passengers who were in the subway car when homeless man Jordan Neely launched into a maniacal rant just before his death described his words as “sickening” and “satanic” — as defense attorney…
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Witnesses to fatal subway chokehold 'undermine notion of panic'
Prosecutors in Manhattan on Wednesday laid out their arguments against the motion to dismiss charges against Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old accused of manslaughter over Jordan Neely's death.
Ex-Marine Daniel Penny should have known chokehold would kill Jordan Neely because of military training, warnings: prosecutors
The statements were meant to fortify the prosecution’s stance that Penny killed Neely when he laced his arms around the homeless man’s neck as he was having a mental health episode insi…
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The defence is trying to get the charges dismissed and the prosecution is defending its charges:
Passengers who were in the subway car when homeless man Jordan Neely launched into a maniacal rant described his words as 'insanely threatening' - and said they hid and prayed until ex-Marine Daniel Penny stepped in and placed him in a chokehold, according to a new filing seeking to dismiss the controversial criminal case.
Lawyers for Penny - the young former Marine accused of killing Neely during the May 1 struggle on a Manhattan train - also wrote in their motion that the medical examiner who testified to the grand jury never gave any evidence that Neely had died from asphyxiation due to the chokehold.
'The fact that [the examiner] did not testify that he did, in fact, die from asphyxiation, can only be explained by a lack of evidence to support such a conclusion,' Penny’s attorneys wrote.
One witness testified to the grand jury that Neely’s menacing words — which included ravings that 'someone is going to die today' and that he was 'ready to go to Rikers' - were 'insanely threatening' and delivered with a 'sickening' and 'Satanic' bent.
The witness 'believed he was going to die as Neely began approaching him,' the motion read.
'He described the moment as ‘absolutely traumatising’ beyond anything he had ever experienced in six years riding the subway,' the lawyers wrote.
Another witness — who was with her young son — told the grand jury that Neely said he wanted to hurt people.
'I want to go to Rikers, I want to go to prison,' she recalled him saying, adding that her nervous son asked her why the man would want to be jailed.
'Mother and son took cover behind her son’s stroller, shielding themselves from Neely, who was now making ‘half-lunge movements’ and coming within a ‘half a foot of people,' the attorneys wrote.
Another witness, who was commuting from her high school, said she put her hand on her classmate’s chest and began 'praying them doors would open' the second Neely said someone would die.
And a different person — this time, a retiree who’s been riding the subway for more than three decades — told the grand jury that she’d never been more scared.
'I have encountered many things, but nothing that put fear into me like that,' she testified.
There was a palpable sense of relief the second Penny grabbed Neely around the neck, sunk in a chokehold and fell to the floor, witnesses said.
It 'really just looked like a struggle,' one person testified.
'It didn’t look like [Daniel Penny] really had control of the situation,' the witness said. 'They were both very much fighting back and forth.'
In addition to trying to establish the danger Neely posed in their motion to dismiss, Penny’s attorney’s also attacked testimony from Cynthia Harris, the medical examiner who inspected Neely’s corpse.
Harris told the grand jury that Neely died from compression of the neck, which she attributed to the chokehold.
But she didn’t show how the injuries to Neely’s neck proved that he died from asphyxiation – or if the chokehold had severed the blood supply to his brain, or strangled him by cutting off his windpipe, they claimed.
'Instead, she opined generally as to the significance of interfering with either one,' the lawyers wrote. 'This amounts to conjecture.'
She also could not give a time of death - leaving unclear whether Neely died on the train car floor or in the hospital an hour later, the filing states.
Lawyers for Penny - the young former Marine accused of killing Neely during the May 1 struggle on a Manhattan train - also wrote in their motion that the medical examiner who testified to the grand jury never gave any evidence that Neely had died from asphyxiation due to the chokehold.
'The fact that [the examiner] did not testify that he did, in fact, die from asphyxiation, can only be explained by a lack of evidence to support such a conclusion,' Penny’s attorneys wrote.
One witness testified to the grand jury that Neely’s menacing words — which included ravings that 'someone is going to die today' and that he was 'ready to go to Rikers' - were 'insanely threatening' and delivered with a 'sickening' and 'Satanic' bent.
The witness 'believed he was going to die as Neely began approaching him,' the motion read.
'He described the moment as ‘absolutely traumatising’ beyond anything he had ever experienced in six years riding the subway,' the lawyers wrote.
Another witness — who was with her young son — told the grand jury that Neely said he wanted to hurt people.
'I want to go to Rikers, I want to go to prison,' she recalled him saying, adding that her nervous son asked her why the man would want to be jailed.
'Mother and son took cover behind her son’s stroller, shielding themselves from Neely, who was now making ‘half-lunge movements’ and coming within a ‘half a foot of people,' the attorneys wrote.
Another witness, who was commuting from her high school, said she put her hand on her classmate’s chest and began 'praying them doors would open' the second Neely said someone would die.
And a different person — this time, a retiree who’s been riding the subway for more than three decades — told the grand jury that she’d never been more scared.
'I have encountered many things, but nothing that put fear into me like that,' she testified.
There was a palpable sense of relief the second Penny grabbed Neely around the neck, sunk in a chokehold and fell to the floor, witnesses said.
It 'really just looked like a struggle,' one person testified.
'It didn’t look like [Daniel Penny] really had control of the situation,' the witness said. 'They were both very much fighting back and forth.'
In addition to trying to establish the danger Neely posed in their motion to dismiss, Penny’s attorney’s also attacked testimony from Cynthia Harris, the medical examiner who inspected Neely’s corpse.
Harris told the grand jury that Neely died from compression of the neck, which she attributed to the chokehold.
But she didn’t show how the injuries to Neely’s neck proved that he died from asphyxiation – or if the chokehold had severed the blood supply to his brain, or strangled him by cutting off his windpipe, they claimed.
'Instead, she opined generally as to the significance of interfering with either one,' the lawyers wrote. 'This amounts to conjecture.'
She also could not give a time of death - leaving unclear whether Neely died on the train car floor or in the hospital an hour later, the filing states.
Manhattan prosecutors doubled-down Wednesday on their controversial decision to bring manslaughter charges in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely — arguing ex-Marine Daniel Penny should have known he was about to kill the homeless man considering his military training and warnings from worried bystanders.
The statements were included in a response to an October filing by defence lawyers that sought to dismiss the case - with prosecutors stressing that Penny, 24, allegedly directly killed Neely when he laced his arms around the troubled homeless man’s neck for six minutes inside the subway car.
'The evidence before the grand jury establishes that Jordan Neely transitioned from life to the throes of death during the precise moments that he was being held in a chokehold by the defendant,' wrote Joshua Steinglass,
the assistant district attorney handling the case,
He argued that there was clear proof Penny 'caused Mr. Neely’s death.'
'The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,' Steinglass wrote - adding that the grand jury saw 'considerable evidence' that Penny was trained to use the dangerous chokeholds by the US Marines.
'The defendant’s own trainer testified that even though ‘chokes’ are taught as a means of non-lethal restraint, students are specifically cautioned during training that a choke can be fatal to the person being held,' the filing said.
Even if they had not been, the forward to the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program manual clearly states that the '[t]echniques described in this manual can cause serious injury or death,' Steinglass wrote.
'This training helps support the notion that the defendant was aware of and consciously disregarded a substantial and unjustifiable risk that death would occur as a result of his prolonged use of a chokehold,' the filing said.
One witness said they were initially grateful for Penny’s intervention, but thought the 'nature and duration of the hold verged on overkill,' Steinglass wrote.
'The defendant held Jordan Neely on the ground with his arm wrapped around Mr Neely's neck,' he wrote.
'He did so with enough force and for a long enough period to kill Jordan Neely.
'Not only did the chokehold last some six minutes, but it continued for nearly a minute past the point where Mr Neely ceased all purposeful movement.'
'The hold seemed so unnecessary at that point that an eyewitness can be heard on video urging the defendant to let go of Mr. Neely and warning the defendant that ‘If you don’t let him go now, you’re going to kill him,'' according to the court document.
Prosecutors also accused Penny of holding Neely for significantly longer than was necessary, even if people felt threatened.
They pointed out that the train arrived at the Broadway-Lafayette station and the door opened less than 30 seconds after the chokehold started.
'Passengers who had felt fearful on account of being trapped on the train were now free to exit the train,' Steinglass said.
'The defendant continued holding Mr Neely around the neck.'
The DA’s office also skewered the defence’s contention that Dr. Cynthia Harris
- the medical examiner who inspected Neely’s corpse - never gave the grand jury concrete evidence that the former Michael Jackson impersonator died from asphyxiation due to Penny’s chokehold.
Instead, she 'opined generally' about how someone could die of a chokehold, which the defence said only amounted to conjecture.
Steinglass called this 'simply untrue.'
Harris told the grand jury that she saw scrapes and bruises which to her 'were an indication that there had been trauma to his (Neely’s) neck,' Steinglass wrote.
She also testified that there was bleeding or haemorrhaging in some of Neely’s neck muscles that indicated there’d 'been trauma involving a significant amount of force applied to his neck.'
And she pinpointed a moment in a video recording of the strangulation where Neely stopped moving intentionally.
'Dr. Harris explained that the movements after that point are best described as ‘twitching and the kind of agonal movement that you see around death,'' Steinglass wrote.
But prosecutors said witnesses varied in their assessments of how dangerous Neely actually was, with several testifying that the erratic man wasn’t much different than other loud vagrants they’d encountered in the Big Apple.
“For me, it was like another day typically in New York,' one witness said. 'That’s what I’m used to seeing.'
Even Penny himself didn’t seem worried at first, according to his interview with cops after the fact — he told officers that he 'wasn’t really paying attention' because Neely was 'just a crackhead,' according to the DA’s office’s filling.
The statements were included in a response to an October filing by defence lawyers that sought to dismiss the case - with prosecutors stressing that Penny, 24, allegedly directly killed Neely when he laced his arms around the troubled homeless man’s neck for six minutes inside the subway car.
'The evidence before the grand jury establishes that Jordan Neely transitioned from life to the throes of death during the precise moments that he was being held in a chokehold by the defendant,' wrote Joshua Steinglass,
the assistant district attorney handling the case,
He argued that there was clear proof Penny 'caused Mr. Neely’s death.'
'The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,' Steinglass wrote - adding that the grand jury saw 'considerable evidence' that Penny was trained to use the dangerous chokeholds by the US Marines.
'The defendant’s own trainer testified that even though ‘chokes’ are taught as a means of non-lethal restraint, students are specifically cautioned during training that a choke can be fatal to the person being held,' the filing said.
Even if they had not been, the forward to the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program manual clearly states that the '[t]echniques described in this manual can cause serious injury or death,' Steinglass wrote.
'This training helps support the notion that the defendant was aware of and consciously disregarded a substantial and unjustifiable risk that death would occur as a result of his prolonged use of a chokehold,' the filing said.
One witness said they were initially grateful for Penny’s intervention, but thought the 'nature and duration of the hold verged on overkill,' Steinglass wrote.
'The defendant held Jordan Neely on the ground with his arm wrapped around Mr Neely's neck,' he wrote.
'He did so with enough force and for a long enough period to kill Jordan Neely.
'Not only did the chokehold last some six minutes, but it continued for nearly a minute past the point where Mr Neely ceased all purposeful movement.'
'The hold seemed so unnecessary at that point that an eyewitness can be heard on video urging the defendant to let go of Mr. Neely and warning the defendant that ‘If you don’t let him go now, you’re going to kill him,'' according to the court document.
Prosecutors also accused Penny of holding Neely for significantly longer than was necessary, even if people felt threatened.
They pointed out that the train arrived at the Broadway-Lafayette station and the door opened less than 30 seconds after the chokehold started.
'Passengers who had felt fearful on account of being trapped on the train were now free to exit the train,' Steinglass said.
'The defendant continued holding Mr Neely around the neck.'
The DA’s office also skewered the defence’s contention that Dr. Cynthia Harris
- the medical examiner who inspected Neely’s corpse - never gave the grand jury concrete evidence that the former Michael Jackson impersonator died from asphyxiation due to Penny’s chokehold.
Instead, she 'opined generally' about how someone could die of a chokehold, which the defence said only amounted to conjecture.
Steinglass called this 'simply untrue.'
Harris told the grand jury that she saw scrapes and bruises which to her 'were an indication that there had been trauma to his (Neely’s) neck,' Steinglass wrote.
She also testified that there was bleeding or haemorrhaging in some of Neely’s neck muscles that indicated there’d 'been trauma involving a significant amount of force applied to his neck.'
And she pinpointed a moment in a video recording of the strangulation where Neely stopped moving intentionally.
'Dr. Harris explained that the movements after that point are best described as ‘twitching and the kind of agonal movement that you see around death,'' Steinglass wrote.
But prosecutors said witnesses varied in their assessments of how dangerous Neely actually was, with several testifying that the erratic man wasn’t much different than other loud vagrants they’d encountered in the Big Apple.
“For me, it was like another day typically in New York,' one witness said. 'That’s what I’m used to seeing.'
Even Penny himself didn’t seem worried at first, according to his interview with cops after the fact — he told officers that he 'wasn’t really paying attention' because Neely was 'just a crackhead,' according to the DA’s office’s filling.
My Comments:
People should agree that 'choke' means 'stop air' and 'strangle' means 'stop blood' to avoid the confusion.
Apparently Neely just happened to die of other causes at the time he was being choked by coincidence, like George Floyd just happened to die while having his neck knelt on. How unfortunate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or maybe he died of the choke, but Penny didn't know that RNCing someone for six minutes, including while he was convulsing and then went limp, wouldn't kill him.
We'll see how it plays out but it doesn't look good for Penny. Never has, really.
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These are the top ten states for murder in the US.
1. Louisiana – 22.9
2. Missouri – 18
3. South Carolina – 17.4
4. Arkansas – 16.1
5. Tennessee – 14
6. Alaska – 12.3
7. Maryland – 11.9
8. Oklahoma – 11.9
9. Mississippi – 11.8
10. North Carolina – 11.4
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NYC subway passengers hid, prayed during Jordan Neely’s ‘insanely threatening’ rant before deadly chokehold: court docs
Train passengers who were in the subway car when homeless man Jordan Neely launched into a maniacal rant just before his death described his words as “sickening” and “satanic” — as defense attorney…Witnesses to fatal subway chokehold 'undermine notion of panic'
Prosecutors in Manhattan on Wednesday laid out their arguments against the motion to dismiss charges against Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old accused of manslaughter over Jordan Neely's death.www.dailymail.co.uk
Ex-Marine Daniel Penny should have known chokehold would kill Jordan Neely because of military training, warnings: prosecutors
The statements were meant to fortify the prosecution’s stance that Penny killed Neely when he laced his arms around the homeless man’s neck as he was having a mental health episode insi…
The defence is trying to get the charges dismissed and the prosecution is defending its charges:
Passengers who were in the subway car when homeless man Jordan Neely launched into a maniacal rant described his words as 'insanely threatening' - and said they hid and prayed until ex-Marine Daniel Penny stepped in and placed him in a chokehold, according to a new filing seeking to dismiss the controversial criminal case.
Lawyers for Penny - the young former Marine accused of killing Neely during the May 1 struggle on a Manhattan train - also wrote in their motion that the medical examiner who testified to the grand jury never gave any evidence that Neely had died from asphyxiation due to the chokehold.
'The fact that [the examiner] did not testify that he did, in fact, die from asphyxiation, can only be explained by a lack of evidence to support such a conclusion,' Penny’s attorneys wrote.
One witness testified to the grand jury that Neely’s menacing words — which included ravings that 'someone is going to die today' and that he was 'ready to go to Rikers' - were 'insanely threatening' and delivered with a 'sickening' and 'Satanic' bent.
The witness 'believed he was going to die as Neely began approaching him,' the motion read.
'He described the moment as ‘absolutely traumatising’ beyond anything he had ever experienced in six years riding the subway,' the lawyers wrote.
Another witness — who was with her young son — told the grand jury that Neely said he wanted to hurt people.
'I want to go to Rikers, I want to go to prison,' she recalled him saying, adding that her nervous son asked her why the man would want to be jailed.
'Mother and son took cover behind her son’s stroller, shielding themselves from Neely, who was now making ‘half-lunge movements’ and coming within a ‘half a foot of people,' the attorneys wrote.
Another witness, who was commuting from her high school, said she put her hand on her classmate’s chest and began 'praying them doors would open' the second Neely said someone would die.
And a different person — this time, a retiree who’s been riding the subway for more than three decades — told the grand jury that she’d never been more scared.
'I have encountered many things, but nothing that put fear into me like that,' she testified.
There was a palpable sense of relief the second Penny grabbed Neely around the neck, sunk in a chokehold and fell to the floor, witnesses said.
It 'really just looked like a struggle,' one person testified.
'It didn’t look like [Daniel Penny] really had control of the situation,' the witness said. 'They were both very much fighting back and forth.'
In addition to trying to establish the danger Neely posed in their motion to dismiss, Penny’s attorney’s also attacked testimony from Cynthia Harris, the medical examiner who inspected Neely’s corpse.
Harris told the grand jury that Neely died from compression of the neck, which she attributed to the chokehold.
But she didn’t show how the injuries to Neely’s neck proved that he died from asphyxiation – or if the chokehold had severed the blood supply to his brain, or strangled him by cutting off his windpipe, they claimed.
'Instead, she opined generally as to the significance of interfering with either one,' the lawyers wrote. 'This amounts to conjecture.'
She also could not give a time of death - leaving unclear whether Neely died on the train car floor or in the hospital an hour later, the filing states.
Manhattan prosecutors doubled-down Wednesday on their controversial decision to bring manslaughter charges in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely — arguing ex-Marine Daniel Penny should have known he was about to kill the homeless man considering his military training and warnings from worried bystanders.
The statements were included in a response to an October filing by defence lawyers that sought to dismiss the case - with prosecutors stressing that Penny, 24, allegedly directly killed Neely when he laced his arms around the troubled homeless man’s neck for six minutes inside the subway car.
'The evidence before the grand jury establishes that Jordan Neely transitioned from life to the throes of death during the precise moments that he was being held in a chokehold by the defendant,' wrote Joshua Steinglass,
the assistant district attorney handling the case,
He argued that there was clear proof Penny 'caused Mr. Neely’s death.'
'The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,' Steinglass wrote - adding that the grand jury saw 'considerable evidence' that Penny was trained to use the dangerous chokeholds by the US Marines.
'The defendant’s own trainer testified that even though ‘chokes’ are taught as a means of non-lethal restraint, students are specifically cautioned during training that a choke can be fatal to the person being held,' the filing said.
Even if they had not been, the forward to the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program manual clearly states that the '[t]echniques described in this manual can cause serious injury or death,' Steinglass wrote.
'This training helps support the notion that the defendant was aware of and consciously disregarded a substantial and unjustifiable risk that death would occur as a result of his prolonged use of a chokehold,' the filing said.
One witness said they were initially grateful for Penny’s intervention, but thought the 'nature and duration of the hold verged on overkill,' Steinglass wrote.
'The defendant held Jordan Neely on the ground with his arm wrapped around Mr Neely's neck,' he wrote.
'He did so with enough force and for a long enough period to kill Jordan Neely.
'Not only did the chokehold last some six minutes, but it continued for nearly a minute past the point where Mr Neely ceased all purposeful movement.'
'The hold seemed so unnecessary at that point that an eyewitness can be heard on video urging the defendant to let go of Mr. Neely and warning the defendant that ‘If you don’t let him go now, you’re going to kill him,'' according to the court document.
Prosecutors also accused Penny of holding Neely for significantly longer than was necessary, even if people felt threatened.
They pointed out that the train arrived at the Broadway-Lafayette station and the door opened less than 30 seconds after the chokehold started.
'Passengers who had felt fearful on account of being trapped on the train were now free to exit the train,' Steinglass said.
'The defendant continued holding Mr Neely around the neck.'
The DA’s office also skewered the defence’s contention that Dr. Cynthia Harris
- the medical examiner who inspected Neely’s corpse - never gave the grand jury concrete evidence that the former Michael Jackson impersonator died from asphyxiation due to Penny’s chokehold.
Instead, she 'opined generally' about how someone could die of a chokehold, which the defence said only amounted to conjecture.
Steinglass called this 'simply untrue.'
Harris told the grand jury that she saw scrapes and bruises which to her 'were an indication that there had been trauma to his (Neely’s) neck,' Steinglass wrote.
She also testified that there was bleeding or haemorrhaging in some of Neely’s neck muscles that indicated there’d 'been trauma involving a significant amount of force applied to his neck.'
And she pinpointed a moment in a video recording of the strangulation where Neely stopped moving intentionally.
'Dr. Harris explained that the movements after that point are best described as ‘twitching and the kind of agonal movement that you see around death,'' Steinglass wrote.
But prosecutors said witnesses varied in their assessments of how dangerous Neely actually was, with several testifying that the erratic man wasn’t much different than other loud vagrants they’d encountered in the Big Apple.
“For me, it was like another day typically in New York,' one witness said. 'That’s what I’m used to seeing.'
Even Penny himself didn’t seem worried at first, according to his interview with cops after the fact — he told officers that he 'wasn’t really paying attention' because Neely was 'just a crackhead,' according to the DA’s office’s filling.
My Comments:
People should agree that 'choke' means 'stop air' and 'strangle' means 'stop blood' to avoid the confusion.
Apparently Neely just happened to die of other causes at the time he was being choked by coincidence, like George Floyd just happened to die while having his neck knelt on. How unfortunate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Or maybe he died of the choke, but Penny didn't know that RNCing someone for six minutes, including while he was convulsing and then went limp, wouldn't kill him.
We'll see how it plays out but it doesn't look good for Penny. Never has, really.
Fuck the New York Prosecutors for even charging him in the first place.
Yay... Keep enabling shit behavior and criminals while scaring law abiding citizens from trying to defend themselves.
Fuck them all.
Like the guy in Cali who defended his home from home invaders and they're trying to take his guns.
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I should add some context..... I'm not laughing because your comment is true, or funny, but because you're such a dumb mark.
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He fucking choked a guy to death.... that doesn't warrant a charge?
Give your balls a tug.
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Wouldn’t not charging someone for killing another person be considered enabling shit behavior and criminals?
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lol... what's your point? He said blue cities. There's heavy blue cites in Red States.
What are the top 10 murder cities in the United States?
- Memphis, Tennessee
- St. Louis, Missouri
- Oakland, California
- Albuquerque, New Mexico
- Baltimore, Maryland
- New Orleans, Louisiana
- Detroit, Michigan
- Lubbock, Texas
- Chicago, Illinois
- Stockton, California
Curious Lubbock is on there. It's kind in the middle of nowhere. Wonder if its anomaly or if something else is happening.
Used to be fairly low in Lubbock
Lubbock TX Murder/Homicide Rate 1999-2018
Interactive chart of the Lubbock, Texas murder rate (i.e. the number of homicides per 100,000 population) from 1999 to 2018.
www.macrotrends.net
But it jumped from 3.9 per 100,000 to over 10 in 2020.
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On Sherdog George Chauvin deserves a mural, Robert E Lee was a misunderstood soul, and vigilantes should be given absolute freedom to do what they want.
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floyd sure as hell doesn't deserve a mural or whatever attention he was getting ..
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Your point doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it a death zone if it is a blue state with blue cities in them? Cross reference the cities with the states. The blue city stuff only holds true for 4 states.lol... what's your point? He said blue cities. There's heavy blue cites in Red States.
What are the top 10 murder cities in the United States?
- Memphis, Tennessee
- St. Louis, Missouri
- Oakland, California
- Albuquerque, New Mexico
- Baltimore, Maryland
- New Orleans, Louisiana
- Detroit, Michigan
- Lubbock, Texas
- Chicago, Illinois
- Stockton, California
Curious Lubbock is on there. It's kind in the middle of nowhere. Wonder if its anomaly or if something else is happening.
Used to be fairly low in Lubbock
Lubbock TX Murder/Homicide Rate 1999-2018
Interactive chart of the Lubbock, Texas murder rate (i.e. the number of homicides per 100,000 population) from 1999 to 2018.
But it jumped from 3.9 per 100,000 to over 10 in 2020.
