GSP's grappling was brilliant

I liked his takedowns more. GSP had some good g'n'p though. I loved that left hook/double leg combo. that was slick.
 
I liked his takedowns more. GSP had some good g'n'p though. I loved that left hook/double leg combo. that was slick.
 
GSP dominated on the ground. What is that if not grappling. He got half guard at will and pushed the pace such that Serra never even made a credible submission attempt.

I still think Serra is overrated for MMA BJJ. I've just never seen him do well in grappling against a top opponent and especially against other grapplers.

I didn't see the Jeff Curran fight though, I know it went to decision, did anybody see it?
 
NinjaKilla187 said:
GSP dominated on the ground. What is that if not grappling. He got half guard at will and pushed the pace such that Serra never even made a credible submission attempt.

I still think Serra is overrated for MMA BJJ. I've just never seen him do well in grappling against a top opponent and especially against other grapplers.

I didn't see the Jeff Curran fight though, I know it went to decision, did anybody see it?
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did you see him against BJ Penn at lightweight? he lost a razor thin decision.
 
Wrestling (ie GSP's takedowns) is part of grappling. Looked pretty damn good to me ... brilliant by MMA standards in fact.

Of course, I'm Canadian, so I'll admit the possibility that I'm a bit biased :icon_chee
 
Shaolin Bushido said:
did you see him against BJ Penn at lightweight? he lost a razor thin decision.
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There was very little ground work in that fight. BJ defended all but 1 takedown and got back to his feet quickly. BJ scored a couple takedowns and didn't do much with them. The entire fight was basically striking and Serra trying to take BJ down.
 
Terere said:
not really... GSP was much bigger and just bullied him... didn't outgrapple him, he was in half guard the whole time, he only passed after elbowing Serra's cranium in for a long time..
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He actually passed to side mount twice, got his back a few times, and also had knee on belly momentarily.
 
I LOL at the people who just yesterday said "Serra is one of the greatest american blackbelts," and "GSP is a whitebelt compared to Serra" still can say that GSP didnt dominate him, after serra did dick all from his back which, and I quote, is a place from which he is "very dangerous." I see some people saying that it wasn't great grappling, yet, look at the result.

This is utterly disrespectful to GSP and his efforts, and indicative of a wild disparity between some people's perceptions and motives, and the reality of the situation.

Serra wasnt able to sweep him, serra wasnt able to even come close to a sub, and anytime serra tried to do something, GSP negated him. Be it with strength, wrestling, jiu jitsu or some combination of the aforementioned, it happened. All of those things are grappling, and you're just taking away from an incredible accomplishment in dominating such a champion of international, and american Jiu-Jitsu.

Serra was out-grappled last night, and there is no two ways about it. It's hypothetical at best to say that GSP wouldnt have done the same had he not been allowed to punch or elbow him.

All I'm saying is that Serra's a great fighter, but(or rather I should say "especially NOW")you have to give GSP his dues.
 
ThinkGreen said:
He actually passed to side mount twice, got his back a few times, and also had knee on belly momentarily.
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Got his back with hooks? I don't remember that. He was on Serra's side while he was turtled a couple times, but he never took Serra's back if I recall correctly.
 
NinjaKilla187 said:
GSP dominated on the ground. What is that if not grappling. He got half guard at will and pushed the pace such that Serra never even made a credible submission attempt.

I still think Serra is overrated for MMA BJJ. I've just never seen him do well in grappling against a top opponent and especially against other grapplers.

I didn't see the Jeff Curran fight though, I know it went to decision, did anybody see it?
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i saw the curran fight. he absolutely murdered curran in every aspect of bjj in that fight. even joe rogan said if curran wants to win hes gotta get up, but he couldnt. and serras bjj for mma is not overrated, he is one of the absolute best out there. he doesnt finish that many guys because look at the guys hes fought, they all have excellent bjj except for dullanty, and serra put on a clinic in that fight. hes all about postiton before submission.
 
Prokofievian said:
I LOL at the people who just yesterday said "Serra is one of the greatest american blackbelts," and "GSP is a whitebelt compared to Serra" still can say that GSP didnt dominate him, after serra did dick all from his back which, and I quote, is a place from which he is "very dangerous." I see some people saying that it wasn't great grappling, yet, look at the result.

This is utterly disrespectful to GSP and his efforts, and indicative of a wild disparity between some people's perceptions and motives, and the reality of the situation.

Serra wasnt able to sweep him, serra wasnt able to even come close to a sub, and anytime serra tried to do something, GSP negated him. Be it with strength, wrestling, jiu jitsu or some combination of the aforementioned, it happened. All of those things are grappling, and you're just taking away from an incredible accomplishment in dominating such a champion of international, and american Jiu-Jitsu.

Serra was out-grappled last night, and there is no two ways about it. It's hypothetical at best to say that GSP wouldnt have done the same had he not been allowed to punch or elbow him.

All I'm saying is that Serra's a great fighter, but(or rather I should say "especially NOW")you have to give GSP his dues.
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Wow, that about sums up my thoughts.

I was impressed, once again, with GSP's patient aggressiveness. He doesn't go all crazy trying to pass and GnP, but he doesn't get lazy and complacent either; it's just a methodical, dedicated mix of guard-passing, elbows, and punches. Was never really in danger of being swept, got side control more than once, and almost had his back a few times. He also showed good confidence and aggression whenever Serra rolled from back mount to guard; each time Serra did that, GSP rained down some heavy punches on him and got back in his guard.
 
Yojimbo. said:
Got his back with hooks? I don't remember that. He was on Serra's side while he was turtled a couple times, but he never took Serra's back if I recall correctly.
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Well I didn't mean he took his back and got 2 hooks in but rather just got his back w/out any hooks and was controlling him from this position.
 
pittelp said:
I agree, he took a Renzo Gracie Blackbelt to school and made him pay tuition.
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Great line!! GSP's ground game looked great!!! He positioned himself great, always follwed Serra's hips, kept his arms in and together to prevent arm bars and trinalges....AND mamaged to beat the hell out of him.......brilliant!
 
I was incredibly impressed with how well GSP controlled the ground considering his opponent was a BJJ BB. He is obviously much better than what people give him credit for.
 
Im surprised some people now think Serra's got a shot to beat Hughes. Funny enough last night after the fight I was just thinking about it.

Hughes would take him down and tire him out. Serra's only shot would be to land a big one on his feet imo. This is a dream fight for Matt Hughes.
 
^ agreed. Hughes would grind him out to a UD in a 3 rounder, to a late 4th or 5th round stoppage in a title fight. Serra is a great bjj player, but his mma guard simply isn't dangerous enough to pose a serious threat to top notch wrestlers and GnP artists should they choose to take him down, tire him out, and rough him up.
 
Trickster said:
Great line!! GSP's ground game looked great!!! He positioned himself great, always follwed Serra's hips, kept his arms in and together to prevent arm bars and trinalges....AND mamaged to beat the hell out of him.......brilliant!
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GSP is a quality brown belt under Renzo Gracie.
 
Shaolin Bushido said:
I ain't turnin down nothin but my collar!
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i am glad you know to turn that down!

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Long time folks!
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Watched the fight and for some of you guys I am not sure if you are sure what you watched.

I question the styles you have trained or are even familar with.

I saw very solid wrestling from GSP followed by strong bjj passing the "gward" and more wrestling/BJJ by dominating the side and overall position on the ground.

I mean watching the fight, after the first minute or so it became clear that Serra had NO chance at all. GSP is just on another level grappling wise.
Maybe not a better PURE BJJ guy than Serra but his wrestling takedowns and command of ground positions combined with his BJJ makes him an impossible opponent for Serra on the ground.
That being said fight one proved anyone has a punchers chance.
 
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