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GSP beat more MMA champions than Jon Jones

Bruh Jones beat 16 mma champions

Carlos Eduardo (Shooto Champion)
Brandon Vera (One Champion)
Vladimir Matyushenko (IFL Champion)
Ryan Bader (Bellator Double Champion)
Mauricio Rua (UFC and Pride Champion)
Rampage Jackson (UFC/Pride Champion)
Lyoto Machida (UFC Champion)
Rashad Evans (UFC Champion)
Vitor Belfort (UFC Champion)
Chael Sonnen (WEC Champion)
Glover Texiaira (UFC Champion)
Daniel Cormier (UFC Double Champ/Strikeforce Champ)
Dan Henderson (Pride Double Champ/Strikeforce Champion)
Anthony Smith (CFFC Champion)
Ciryl Gane (UFC Interim Champ)
Stipe Miocic (2x UFC Heavyweight Champ)

And the thing about it is, Reyes, Gus, Santos, and Maybe OSP even have shots to win belts before they officially retire lol......

Not to mention Jones will possibly add Tom Aspinall and Alex Pereira by the end of the year which will be 11 UFC Champions beaten the most in history, f outta here with this GSP shit df
I’m all for defending Jones and as I mentioned prior more champs are on his list. Vitor was also Cage Rage but he never faced Hendo and did Chael ever get WEC belt? He never won of off Filho.

I’m a big fan of both GSP and Jon purely based on sport. Jon obviously didn’t have the same lows as GSP and has done more clearly. GSP wins on “likability” and it shows.
 
I’m all for defending Jones and as I mentioned prior more champs are on his list. Vitor was also Cage Rage but he never faced Hendo and did chael ever get WEC belt? He never won of off Filho.
Chael should in all sincerity count. I'll never understand how Filho misses weight in a championship fight and keeps his belt in a loss.
 
Chael should in all sincerity count. I'll never understand how Filho misses weight in a championship fight and keeps his belt in a loss.
Fair enough, agree with that. It was weird they didn’t make it a title fight for one guy.
 
I’m all for defending Jones and as I mentioned prior more champs are on his list. Vitor was also Cage Rage but he never faced Hendo and did Chael ever get WEC belt? He never won of off Filho.

I’m a big fan of both GSP and Jon purely based on sport. Jon obviously didn’t have the same lows as GSP and has done more clearly. GSP wins on “likability” and it shows.
Hendo counts, Bones beat him in a legit competition and that's how that fight would have gone anyways and Chael beat the champ decisively and was given the belt
 
For Fedor, Steroids were encouraged in PRIDE. Now, they could acknowledge this and argue it was all a level playing field, which is fine.

For GSP, use your eyes. Use your brain. Use some common sense. Look at his physique. During his career passing a drug test was basically like passing an IQ test. GSP is a smart guy who's also extremely knowledgeable about PED's...I wonder why a guy who's never used them knows so much about them.
I am convinced GSP just loves to troll about being all natty. It is funny he doesn't just talk about his vast knowledge of PEDs he loves to talk specifically about how much he knows about beating drug tests, which I'm sure he just picked up in random bar chats and locker room talk, not directly from his coaches instructions that he followed.

Then there was that time GSP kept pinching his nipples in the cage.

All of that was really just fun and games since it kinda didn't violate the rules as they were widely accepted at the time. If you want to talk about the most blatant use of PEDs the sport has ever witnessed then that would be GSPs Vasoline wipe downs that had him glistening under those lights and beading up sweat drops so nicely dude was looking like a dang car wax commercial. BJ Penn will be the first to tell you that GSP is a pretty slick dude.
 
I wouldnt be surprised if any fighter did not use PEDs. I've seen many people do PEDs and I've done them myself.

But it's still unfair to assume someone does them if they never been busted for it.

Though, I dont get why people bring up PEDs in Pride. It wasn't really illegal, at least not in any meaningful way. There is no way to know who didn't do PEDs in Pride, so it's dumb to say "this natty guy beat a roided guy" in Pride.
 
Bruh Jones beat 16 mma champions

Not to mention Jones will possibly add Tom Aspinall and Alex Pereira by the end of the year which will be 11 UFC Champions beaten the most in history,
Chael was never WEC champ. Shooto/IFL/CFFC are not notable promotions but if you want to go that route I can easily bring up Jay Hieron (IFL champ), Pete Spratt (RCF, REF, ROF champ), Frank Trigg (WFA champ). Which brings GSP's total to 16, higher than Jones' 14.

Btw, did you really just count Jones' grappling match with Dan Henderson? Also lol at mentioning Tom and Alex, Jones fans really creating their own happiness. All I did was present some facts.

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Chael was never WEC champ. Shooto/IFL/CFFC are not notable promotions but if you want to go that route I can easily bring up Jay Hieron (IFL champ), Pete Spratt (RCF, REF, ROF champ), Frank Trigg (WFA champ). Which brings GSP's total to 16, higher than Jones' 14.

Btw, did you really just count Jones' grappling match with Dan Henderson? Also lol at mentioning Tom and Alex, Jones fans really creating their own happiness. All I did was present some facts.

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Go bitch somewhere else
 
Chael was never WEC champ. Shooto/IFL/CFFC are not notable promotions but if you want to go that route I can easily bring up Jay Hieron (IFL champ), Pete Spratt (RCF, REF, ROF champ), Frank Trigg (WFA champ). Which brings GSP's total to 16, higher than Jones' 14.

Btw, did you really just count Jones' grappling match with Dan Henderson? Also lol at mentioning Tom and Alex, Jones fans really creating their own happiness. All I did was present some facts.

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Chael wasn't WEC champion only in an official capacity. Paulo just missed weight and back then that meant it was a non title fight. Chael is pretty much a major champion, and definitely a higher level than Shooto, IFL, WFA etc.
 
Jones basically reigned at LHW for his entire career. How many opportunities is there for anyone to actually become champ?

Nonsensical mental gymnastics
Where's the mental gymnastics? This isn't my rationale for him being the GOAT. More of a response to all the talk of Jones beating "former champs".

I personally agree that the opponent's standing/ranking in the division at the time of the fight is what matters for resume.
You put Matt Hughes but done put Cormier twice?
Yes? GSP has 2 officially recognised wins over Hughes. Jones has 1 win & 1 NC against Cormier.
 
Where's the mental gymnastics? This isn't my rationale for him being the GOAT. More of a response to all the talk of Jones beating "former champs".

I personally agree that the opponent's standing/ranking in the division at the time of the fight is what matters for resume.

Yes? GSP has 2 officially recognised wins over Hughes. Jones has 1 win & 1 NC against Cormier.
You called them MMA Champions, there’s only one Matt Hughes. Unless GSP beat 2 different Matt Hughes. It’s stupid using the same person and considering them 2 different champions. I see what you’re doing trying to push a certain narrative, but it’ll only work on new people to the sport. Not us who has been watching longer than you probably had public hair.
 
GSP ducked prime Woodley to fight an aged bisping who was thought to be a weaker fight for a bigger payday at the time.

Then he avoided Whittaker and retired.

Essentially, he made a smart business play for that stage of his career, during his final fight.

During both of their careers, they fought everyone. Only at the very end of their careers did we see some business minded decisions, as we do for the vast majority of fighters in the twilight of their career who are trying to make as much money as possible before they sail off into the sunset.

Both situations are virtually identical.
LMAO this is just getting comical now!

GSP was retired and only came back for a MW title shot. No one even considers it as what made GSP a legend. GSP didn't act like he was gonna reign supreme over the MW division. Plus GSP was severely under sized compared to the entire division and he never even pretended to act like he was superior to anyone at MW before that

On the other hand JBJ talked about going to HW in 2013. You k ow in his prime... but of course he didn't cuz HW was stacked

He said he was "properly adding weight" for literally 3 yrs while already walked around at 235 as a lhw and Francis was in the division. But then magically was good to go the literal day Francis announced he was out and then came in looking like he added weight with the HW BJ Penn burrito diet.

Now JBJ wants to gas light and pretend he is the undisputed HW king and best HW ever while actively ducking the interim champ.

He's literally trying cherry pick opponents to avoid challenges while pretending to take on the toughest challenges. He's literally willing to vacate the HW belt rather than defend it vs Tom. It's on the same level as GDR vacating the belt to avoid Cyborg. It's ducking clear as day

Both GDR and JBJ are ducking virtually identical
 
You called them MMA Champions, there’s only one Matt Hughes. Unless GSP beat 2 different Matt Hughes. It’s stupid using the same person and considering them 2 different champions. I see what you’re doing trying to push a certain narrative, but it’ll only work on new people to the sport. Not us who has been watching longer than you probably had public hair.

You're right in that my wording is a bit off, I just figured it would make a catchier title. My point is indeed about total wins over champions. Wins don't suddenly become obsolete just because they're rematches. You sound bitter.
 
Only fools and busters think Jones is goat over GSP
 
LMAO this is just getting comical now!

GSP was retired and only came back for a MW title shot. No one even considers it as what made GSP a legend. GSP didn't act like he was gonna reign supreme over the MW division. Plus GSP was severely under sized compared to the entire division and he never even pretended to act like he was superior to anyone at MW before that

On the other hand JBJ talked about going to HW in 2013. You k ow in his prime... but of course he didn't cuz HW was stacked

He said he was "properly adding weight" for literally 3 yrs while already walked around at 235 as a lhw and Francis was in the division. But then magically was good to go the literal day Francis announced he was out and then came in looking like he added weight with the HW BJ Penn burrito diet.

Now JBJ wants to gas light and pretend he is the undisputed HW king and best HW ever while actively ducking the interim champ.

He's literally trying cherry pick opponents to avoid challenges while pretending to take on the toughest challenges. He's literally willing to vacate the HW belt rather than defend it vs Tom. It's on the same level as GDR vacating the belt to avoid Cyborg. It's ducking clear as day
Ur GDR and JBJ are ducking virtually

Both situations are exactly the same and there is no way to dispute it in good faith.

Both made decisions that made the most business sense during the twilight of their careers.

At the time, Woodley was in his prime and was the tougher fight stylistically. Bisping was a year older than GSP and just came off a narrow split decision over a 42 year old hendo in his retirement fight.

He took the bisping fight. It was an easier fight, more aged opponent, more money at stake, second belt on the line.

Ultimately, he made the smart move which made the most business and legacy sense, not unlike what Jones is doing(assuming he doesn't fight aspinall)

He was supposed to fight the winner of Whittaker Romero, then mysteriously became Ill and retired, never to be seen again.

The two situations mentalities are exactly the same, the only difference is you're biased towards one and hate another.

All fighters in the twilight of their career make decisions that make the most business sense. All of them. It isn't something unique to GSP or Jones, you can find examples even going back to the early days of boxing.

Only thing I'd add is that Stipe was already signed before aspinall came into the title picture. They both already trained for a full camp before Jones got injured, already promoted it, ufc already invested time, money and energy into selling it. They were never not going to do that fight, regardless of who came Into the picture.

So, Jones hasn't officially ducked anyone yet. There was never an offer to fight aspinall

If he decides to retire now, then people can say he's ducking, but he just fought and we really don't know how it's gonna play out yet.
 
You're right in that my wording is a bit off, I just figured it would make a catchier title. My point is indeed about total wins over champions. Wins don't suddenly become obsolete just because they're rematches. You sound bitter.
they suddenly become obsolete because Matt Hughes was not a champion when GSP beat him the 2nd time…so what is it? He beat a MMA champion or he beat someone for the championship? I’m not bitter it’s just very disingenuous what you’re doing.
 
they suddenly become obsolete because Matt Hughes was not a champion when GSP beat him the 2nd time…so what is it? He beat a MMA champion or he beat someone for the championship? I’m not bitter it’s just very disingenuous what you’re doing.
What's disingenuous that I've done? My post is very obviously about wins against fighters who have been champions at some point in their careers, not those who were champions at the time of the fights. Otherwise literally 90% of fighters listed wouldn't be here.

Just because you misconstrued the entire post (seems to me like you did not even read it) doesn't make me disingenuous.
 
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