GSP beat more MMA champions than Jon Jones

[icemun]

The fact that so many of his opponents could even make 185 is testament to how Jones is naturally bigger than them, Jones could never make 185. I don't personally hold that against Jones though considering those other guys still proved their merit at 205.

Weak point considering GSP also dominated in him in his area of specialty in the third fight.

That's not all he did though? He has literally said on JR pod that he would lift weights specifically for aesthetic reasons, GSP's size is naturally attainable for many guys. You can speculate all you want but Jones is the one with the failed drug tests.

Whats more interesting is how many of Jones opponents could make HW or become HW champions.

Vera (hw champ) DC (hw champ) Stipe (HW champ) Gane (HW champ) Rashad (HW Tuf winner) Bader (HW champ)

Gustaffson, Rampage . Hes fought MORE people who fought or became HW champions that had any success at MW





Anyone whos ever lifted a weight or trained, knows whats going on with GSP uniquely, impressive physique



The natty legend

 

[markg171]

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I am at least willing to submit that MM is probably the GOAT combat athlete ever. He has his UFC records, where we all saw his craziness during and possibly never even deserved to lose his title to Cejudo, he struck with a Thai World champ for a round, is out there winning IBJJF tournaments, won titles a weight class up at ONE past his prime (though did lose in UFC at the time).

But MMA wise it's obviously Jones and anybody pretending otherwise just looks pathetic. He has every record, wtf argument is there besides you hate the dude?

 

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It's never not funny when people try and say X fighter has more ranked fights than Jones.

All you have to do is respond that Jones has 17 title wins, let alone ranked wins outside that, so they're obviously fucking retarded as there's 17 alone which would be a top 5 all time record at least.

Not a single one of the other GOATS is making it through 17 title fights without a loss. You know considering they literally did not.

No, because Jones only has 1, maybe 2 ranked wins outside of his title fights (Bader + maybe Vera). While others such as GSP have multiple (BJ Penn 1, Koscheck 1, Parisyan, Sherk, Trigg, Miller).

What's funnier is how Jones fans repeatedly cite a no-contest on his list of title wins. He has 16 title wins officially, which should be 15 if anything considering he CLEARLY lost to Reyes.

 

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List is inaccurate

You mistakenly listed Hughes and Penn twice

GSP also lost to Sera and Hughes

Jones also beat Glover Texiera UFC LHW champion

Vladimir Vladimirovich Matyushenk IFL lighthw champion

Shogun was also Pride FC champion and Cormier was SF HW winner

1. True, though it's just semantics about how I worded it. Wins vs champions is what matters, and GSP has two against both of those guys.
2. List is about wins, not losses
3. Glover was listed
4. GSP beat Jay Hieron, WW IFL champ. I said in OP that I was only counting notable promotions, have added others now since people seem to think that would favor Jones (it doesn't).
5. Shogun and DC were listed

Jones has 16 title fight wins, not 17. You don't get credit for a no contest. Also lost to Reyes so should be 15.

 

[Nailbox]

Won't ever change the fact GSP has been subbed and KO'd (tapped to strikes, by Matt Serra)

What about jones having a whole fight card relcaated due to his steroid use, been popped 2 to 3 times , geta. Free pass to use, caught hiding from drug testers?



Yeah. Gsps deff worse for avenging his losses in dominating fashion

But zero cheating /steroid usage

 

[Aurelian]

What about jones having a whole fight card relcaated due to his steroid use, been popped 2 to 3 times , geta. Free pass to use, caught hiding from drug testers?



Yeah. Gsps deff worse for avenging his losses in dominating fashion

But zero cheating /steroid usage

Perhaps this train of thought works on people who are retarded, or maybe it's you who is retarded idk.

 

[Nailbox]

Perhaps this train of thought works on people who are retarded, or maybe it's you who is retarded idk.

Perhaps the only retard. Is you?

 

[Aurelian]

Perhaps the only retard. Is you?

LOL no that's you who thinks GSP, and 99% of other fighters pre USADA, were clean! I guess you forgot Vaseline gate too.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

I just don’t think Canada is prepared to accept a black GOAT…

 

[Legendary]

Most of Jones wins are against over the hill vets and arguably lost to Reyes and Santos.

 

[tat2man5k]

Won't ever change the fact GSP has been subbed and KO'd (tapped to strikes, by Matt Serra)

Yeah well JBJ was outclassed, outsmarted and completely dominated by Matt Hammill

 

[fzoid4454]

Tell me how Vitor Belfort's LHW reign went.


Still better than posting an L to a non champ like Hamill


Excuses for a cheater. It doesn't matter what is or isn't a good rule, you just need to follow them in order to compete as a fighter and Jones had demonstrated repeatedly that he can't, so he's not a better fighter. Even if the foul didn't cause the injury, Matt was continuing with the injury before the end, but had to be stopped because of the foul

Why the f--k do I care about Vitor? Seems like a completely random and stupid non sequitur on your part. But I guess it's a preview of what is to follow.

Serra would be a non-champ, were it not for GSP choking, as was already mentioned, so, not it isn't, particularly since he didn't actually get beat by Hammil.

Hammil didn't "continue with the injury." The fight continued and ended with Hammil on his back after the slam. He didn't "continue" at all, just turtled up and ate GnP.

Anyway, so you're making arguments when you don't have a clue about what you're talking about (how that fight ended). Fair enough, but laughable. You can't really make any claim of a legitimate argument when you're just making shit up because you don't know.

 

[icemun]

1. True, though it's just semantics about how I worded it. Wins vs champions is what matters, and GSP has two against both of those guys.
2. List is about wins, not losses
3. Glover was listed
4. GSP beat Jay Hieron, WW IFL champ. I said in OP that I was only counting notable promotions, have added others now since people seem to think that would favor Jones (it doesn't).
5. Shogun and DC were listed

Jones has 16 title fight wins, not 17. You don't get credit for a no contest. Also lost to Reyes so should be 15.

If jones "lost" to Reyes.
Despite actual reality of fight-


GSP lost to Hendricks





And GSP actually LOST to Hughes and Sera

 

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If jones "lost" to Reyes.
Despite actual reality of fight-


GSP lost to Hendricks


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And GSP actually LOST to Hughes and Sera

Round 1 of GSP vs Hendricks (the deciding round) was 50/50, while Rounds 1-3 of Jones vs Reyes were all decisive for Reyes. So these are not really comparable. Hendricks also became champ in his next fight while Reyes was stiffened 3 times.

 

[Pierce 34]

Round 1 of GSP vs Hendricks (the deciding round) was 50/50, while Rounds 1-3 of Jones vs Reyes were all decisive for Reyes. So these are not really comparable. Hendricks also became champ in his next fight while Reyes was stiffened 3 times.

Jones got beaten out of the division by a NFL reject lololol

 

[agibmxmma]

GSP never popped for ped's and never cherry picked his opponents. GSP, DJ, Fedor are top 3 for "GOAT", with DC and Randy filling out the top 5. No other sport can a ped cheat become a hall or famer. Jones is the Barry Bonds of MMA, all the talent in the world naturally, yet insecure enough to risk it all over ped's.

 

[agibmxmma]

If jones "lost" to Reyes.
Despite actual reality of fight-


GSP lost to Hendricks


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And GSP actually LOST to Hughes and Sera

Don't forget the first Gus fight and the Thiago fight.. wasn't just Reyes. But yes, the records show dif, while common logic says dif if having watched those fights live in person or live on air.

 

[sandokan83]

GSP is too smart to give a shit to irrelevant statistics.

 

[icemun]

Don't forget the first Gus fight and the Thiago fight.. wasn't just Reyes. But yes, the records show dif, while common logic says dif if having watched those fights live in person or live on air.

LOL!!!

Dont forget fights he won as well?

Or are you suggesting in your personal opinion Santos won?

 

[icemun]

Round 1 of GSP vs Hendricks (the deciding round) was 50/50, while Rounds 1-3 of Jones vs Reyes were all decisive for Reyes. So these are not really comparable. Hendricks also became champ in his next fight while Reyes was stiffened 3 times.

They are comparable in that both Jones and GSP won the fight

If you want to pretend Jones lost, then we can pretend GSP lost

But the reality is GSP lost and was finished by Hughes and Serra

That is the irrefutable reality.