Greg Jackson fighters finish at a higher rate than average: in-depth story

[SeattleFightFan]

I think there's just always going to be a tension in fighting between what's effective and what's exciting.

hence the last paragraph:

In the Roman arena, he says, fighters weren't judged by what they did, but how they did it; their purpose wasn't to win, but to teach the public to die with honor. There may be crowds of thousands of people who can't tell a professional from an amateur and have no idea what it's like to be afraid and do something anyway; there may be people in the game who are so broken from watching men and women fight week after week that they lose all ability to appreciate what they're seeing, or to care about what it means, and there may be people who don't see a fighter as anything more than a blank, a representative of some desire or an avatar of some idea or just a whirling gear in an engine of hypercapitalism. Fuck them, he says. There always will be people who don't understand.

 

[Amygdala]

This is a really good piece -- particularly for MMA fans with attention spans. Haven't read through the whole thread but in case it hasn't been mentioned there are interesting insights about Jackson, Winklejohn, Shawn Jordan, John Dodson, Julie Kedzie, Donald Cerrone, Clay Guida, Jon Jones, and more.

There's also a bit of gossip about Dana, how the UFC works, etc. Really good stuff.

For those of you with shorter attention spans. Here's Jackson's genius summed up in 15 seconds: kind, concerned, then tough love. Gets the job done:

 

[Ughugh]

"Dodson, though, is precisely as stressed as you'd expect of someone who managed to convince Pop Rocks to sponsor him. He's watching previews for bad movies, talking shit ("When I win the title," he says, "I'll be like Jon Jones. 'Skin my apple! You know I don't like the skins!'"), quaffing from his giant jug, and explaining how the key to smart fighting is an empty mind."

 

[Loiosh]

Greg Jackson is a great coach, and has elite fighters. It is true though, when one of their fighters is outclassed they will sometimes try and use the scoring system to win while avoiding the fight. Guida/ Maynard being the most notable.

His corner was screaming at him to engage for most of the fight.

 

[Loiosh]

he trains his fighters not to win but NOT TO LOSE.

He trains his fighters to succeed based on the skills they bring to the table, and he's arguably the best in the sport. If I was a fighter, I'd want him in my corner, period.

 

[PirateTetra]

Bookmarked so i can read it later. Thanks for sharing TS.

 

[hto63]

that article provided NO facts or anything on the topic.
"Jackson's fighters have an above-average finishing rate."
and goes on to offer NOTHING.
Greg Jackson is horrible for mma. the way he yells and celebrates when his fighter misses or barely lands with something completely stupid or dismisses anything their opponent does is garbage. he trains his fighters not to win but NOT TO LOSE. I understand its a payday to win but if no one is watching because of how boring it is it wont matter

completely agreed, I don't even bother watching anyone out of his stable of boring guys anymore.

Jones, Cerrone, Sanchez, Mir, Swanson, Browne, Dodson, Condit, all those dagestani blankets... so many guys he has ruined and they ruin every card they are on.

 

[Amygdala]

completely agreed, I don't even bother watching anyone out of his stable of boring guys anymore.

Jones, Cerrone, Sanchez, Mir, Swanson, Browne, Dodson, Condit, all those dagestani blankets... so many guys he has ruined and they ruin every card they are on.

Sarcasm meter: activate!

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

I wish people would look at fighters like Condit and Diaz and what happens to their finish records when they fight other top guys. Their finish rates fall well below GSP's but no one wants to consider how much more difficult it is to finish other top guys when they fight only to survive once they realize they cannot win (like Rashad did V Jones).

 

[Loiosh]

Would you have advised GSP to try the same?

 

[MaTaLa]

that article provided NO facts or anything on the topic.
"Jackson's fighters have an above-average finishing rate."
and goes on to offer NOTHING.
Greg Jackson is horrible for mma. the way he yells and celebrates when his fighter misses or barely lands with something completely stupid or dismisses anything their opponent does is garbage. he trains his fighters not to win but NOT TO LOSE. I understand its a payday to win but if no one is watching because of how boring it is it wont matter

Have you even looked to see who trains at Jackson's?
Bones, Swanson, Dobson, Diego, Arlovski, Condit, Cerrone, Kahbilov, Brandao, Hapa, , Stann(retired).

Some of the most exciting fighters in the business but you don't like what he shouts during the fights so he sucks as a trainer. smh

 

[GiantSilva]

Everyone who's watching MMA knows that todays greg jackson fighters anything but boring.

Tristar carries that torch now

 

[Phisher]

Have you even looked to see who trains at Jackson's?
Bones, Swanson, Dobson, Diego, Arlovski, Condit, Cerrone, Kahbilov, Brandao, Hapa, , Stann(retired).

Some of the most exciting fighters in the business but you don't like what he shouts during the fights so he sucks as a trainer. smh

MMA, the sport where "personalities" always have priority over substance.

 

[trident]

Ssshhhh, don't let facts get in the way of ignorance.

I wish people would look at fighters like Condit and Diaz and what happens to their finish records when they fight other top guys. Their finish rates fall well below GSP's but no one wants to consider how much more difficult it is to finish other top guys when they fight only to survive once they realize they cannot win (like Rashad did V Jones).

Wrong. Condit finished Rory, Kampmann, Donger and Hardy, all top 10 fighters at the time.

Don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Greg Jackson and his team come up with the best plan based on the athlete's gifts and the opponent they're fighting.

The reason he got a bad rap is because many of these stinkers happened in the biggest main event fights, some on PPV.
Rashad vs Page/Thiago Silva
several of GSP's fights
Nate Marquardt vs Okami
several of Clay Guda's fights

Then when Dana came out making comments after the Marquardt/Okami fight, and then called Jackson a "sport killer", the shitstorm began.

However, the fact that some of these fights were hyped so heavily and then turned out to be stinkers (with fans paying to watch some them), complaints were understandable.
Guida vs Maynard was just terrible.

 

[sportkillergreg]

But he's still a sport killer.

this

 

[dieknowsore]

Some of the most exciting fighters in the business but you don't like what he shouts during the fights so he sucks as a trainer. smh

it seems he is trying to sway the judges wich is very off putting