Greg Jackson fighters finish at a higher rate than average: in-depth story

[misfitofscience]

http://deadspin.com/how-greg-jackson-is-changing-the-parameters-of-coaching-1494496866

I apologize if this has already been posted. I didn't find anything with the search function. Long, complex piece on Deadspin about Greg Jackson and how what Zuffa wants and what athletes want often conflicts. Great discussion of Jones-Henderson and Jones-Sonnen.

 

[IHWBass57]

Greg Jackson is a great coach, and has elite fighters. It is true though, when one of their fighters is outclassed they will sometimes try and use the scoring system to win while avoiding the fight. Guida/ Maynard being the most notable.

 

[JonesBones]

The whole stigma was basically started due to Rashad and GSP. Tristar is what made GSP boring, and Rashad has always been boring. The stigma will be passed onto Tristar, if it hasn't already.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

you lost 99% of sherdoggers at "in-depth" but i look forward to this article when i get a chance to read it.

thanks TS

 

[Magooglie]

It's because GSP stopped training there.

 

[wlu29]

good read

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Greg Jackson is a great coach, and has elite fighters. It is true though, when one of their fighters is outclassed they will sometimes try and use the scoring system to win while avoiding the fight. Guida/ Maynard being the most notable.

I don't think Guida trained backpedaling for 12 weeks.
That debacle is squarely on Clay's shoulders. Whats ironic, is that Guida actually rocked Gray in that fight. Hindsight being 20/20 I think Guida could have beaten Maynard if he actually fought him.

 

[CRuck1980]

The whole stigma was basically started due to Rashad and GSP. Tristar is what made GSP boring, and Rashad has always been boring. The stigma will be passed onto Tristar, if it hasn't already.

Better fighters contributed to the decisions, GSP doesn't fight much differently

 

[Phisher]

The whole stigma was basically started due to Rashad and GSP. Tristar is what made GSP boring, and Rashad has always been boring. The stigma will be passed onto Tristar, if it hasn't already.

The whole stigma started because Dana attacked Greg Jackson multiple times, and a lot of people regurgitate everything that comes out of Dana's mouth.

 

[misfitofscience]

I think there's just always going to be a tension in fighting between what's effective and what's exciting.

 

[Phisher]

Greg Jackson is a great coach, and has elite fighters. It is true though, when one of their fighters is outclassed they will sometimes try and use the scoring system to win while avoiding the fight. Guida/ Maynard being the most notable.

More bullshit. Jackson was begging Guida to engage with Maynard the entire time.

Whatever went on that night was down to Clay Guida not Jackson, Winkeljohn or anybody else from that team.

Guida is an extremely limited fighter who is only "exciting" when he gets his ass kicked. It's not Jackson's fault and no other trainer could fix it. He reached his potential is an MMAist.

 

[Groundmaster]

The whole stigma was basically started due to Rashad and GSP. Tristar is what made GSP boring, and Rashad has always been boring. The stigma will be passed onto Tristar, if it hasn't already.

GSP already trained at Tristar before his UFC career...

 

[Jacob Carter]

"If the crowd starts booing that's a good thing, we have the right game plan". Mike Winklejohn.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

Better fighters contributed to the decisions, GSP doesn't fight much differently

Ssshhhh, don't let facts get in the way of ignorance.

I wish people would look at fighters like Condit and Diaz and what happens to their finish records when they fight other top guys. Their finish rates fall well below GSP's but no one wants to consider how much more difficult it is to finish other top guys when they fight only to survive once they realize they cannot win (like Rashad did V Jones).

 

[ripdisc]

that article provided NO facts or anything on the topic.
"Jackson's fighters have an above-average finishing rate."
and goes on to offer NOTHING.
Greg Jackson is horrible for mma. the way he yells and celebrates when his fighter misses or barely lands with something completely stupid or dismisses anything their opponent does is garbage. he trains his fighters not to win but NOT TO LOSE. I understand its a payday to win but if no one is watching because of how boring it is it wont matter

 

[UWPguy]

Good read. Towards the end I noticed this paragraph -

"We head out to a nearly empty bar with some fight people, among them a retired fighter who's awfully smart and, after a few drinks, starts to talk about the emptiness that follows a loss. He quit the sport partly because his wife wanted him to, and partly because he was starting to worry about subconcussive trauma, but also because of a fight in which he was held in positions for three rounds, totally helpless, while his opponent effortlessly had his way with him. The next day, he went out with some friends, who knew the sport well and could be expected to have some idea of what that felt like. They started drinking at noon and kept going into the evening, and mocked him mercilessly the entire time."

Anyone know (or speculate) which retired fighter the writer is referring to?

 

[DLX]

But he's still a sport killer.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

that is a great article with a lot of gems. the title is about 1/100th of the article.

here's another one; TS could easily have title the thread with this:

"Rory," says Jackson, "is so dedicated to the parameters of being a martial artist that if you come at him with some stuff that he's not used to seeing, it will mentally unwedge him."

i highly recommend taking the time to read this article.

 

[misfitofscience]

that is a great article with a lot of gems. the title is about 1/100th of the article.

here's another one; TS could easily have title the thread with this:



i highly recommend taking the time to read this article.

Yeah I changed the name because no one was clicking on the thread. Knew this would get people reading.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Yeah I changed the name because no one was clicking on the thread. Knew this would get people reading.

lol nice

OTOH, now you're getting lazy man-drama types who want to give their opinion on a topic without bothering to read the source, or bother to educate themselves first. are you sure the cure wasn't worse than the disease?!?