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Greatest boxer ever?

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MMAGuruLV said:
Lary Holmes also said that Mike Tyson was the hardest he ever got hit by at one point. I think hes just a little punch drunk.

Still, the tapes dont lie, speed IS power if you are already throwing the punch right. Tyson hit harder than anyone, I dont know how you can dispute it. Atlas and even Cosell both said it and they've seen some great ones. LISTEN TO THE PUNCHES, they speak for themselves.
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No i'm sorry it is not true. according you your logic the hardest hitters p4p would be meldrick taylor zab judah and sugar ray leonard. Speed does not equally equate to power. Also i've never heard larry holmes say otherwise to shavers hitting the hardest.

Even people in Tyson's own time hit harder than him. Pinklon thomas and razor ruddok said tommy morrison hit them harder. If Tyson's punches make a loud noise it doesn't mean he is by far the hardest hitter. It doesn't work like that, if fact tyson wasn' even close to one of the hardest hitters (i'm not taking anything away from him he had real Power).

Cosell is said to know very little about boxing. And I would have to see where atlas said he hit harder than anyone. He doesn't give tyson credit for shit. And even if he did how would he know, its not like he got hit by the other guys.
 
boje. said:
No i'm sorry it is not true. according you your logic the hardest hitters p4p would be meldrick taylor zab judah and sugar ray leonard. Speed does not equally equate to power. Also i've never heard larry holmes say otherwise to shavers hitting the hardest.

Even people in Tyson's own time hit harder than him. Pinklon thomas and razor ruddok said tommy morrison hit them harder. If Tyson's punches make a loud noise it doesn't mean he is by far the hardest hitter. It doesn't work like that, if fact tyson wasn' even close to one of the hardest hitters (i'm not taking anything away from him he had real Power).

Cosell is said to know very little about boxing. And I would have to see where atlas said he hit harder than anyone. He doesn't give tyson credit for shit. And even if he did how would he know, its not like he got hit by the other guys.
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Any of the Tyson fights that atlas Comentated on, one that sticks out is Trevor berbick. And I didnt say speed=power, I said if your throwing right, the more steam you can put on a haymaker, the harder it will hit, you cant argue that, its basic trig-101.

Also, Cosell DID say that on an ESPN Classic special about the greatest boxers in history where they rated Tyson in the top ten HW's of all time.

And Zab Judah? Thats the fastest you can come up with?
 
Zab judah might not be a HOF fighter but he is explosivley fast as hell. Watch the mayweather fight he is considerably faster than him. And Meldrick taylor and Ray Leonard were said too.

And who gives a fuck about howard cosell he wasn't getting hit by the guys and really didn't know much about boxing. And F=ma doesn't really work for punching power. Punching power is a mysterious thing. Look at julian jackson (jr middle, middle, hardest p4p hitter in history) he didn't throw extremely fast or was that big and he knocked people dead. He could hit as hard as most light heavys i bet.

Also i don't remeber Atlas being in the original broadcast of the tyson berbeck fight. I remeber ray leonard and someone who was not atlas. I think their was another broadcast team too but i don't remeber atlas being on it.

But bottom line is that tyson is not the hardest hitter in sports history. Ask anyone pretty knowledgable on boxing they will tell you other guys hit harder.
 
sugar ray was dominant for 20+ years
 
Sugar Ray Robins is the best without question and boxing experts and fighters agree.

Notable mentions go to ....

Jack Johnson
George Foreman (in his time he was unstoppable)
Prime Mike Tyson.
Ali
R.JJ
Joe Louis
Henry Armstrong
 
boje. said:
Also i don't remeber Atlas being in the original broadcast of the tyson berbeck fight. I remeber ray leonard and someone who was not atlas. I think their was another broadcast team too but i don't remeber atlas being on it.
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Youre right, it wasnt the Berbeck fight. Ill try to find which one it was that was sticking in my head.
 
Boxer said:
Sugar Ray Robins is the best without question and boxing experts and fighters agree.
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In your opinion maybe. No one is the proven greatest because its all a matter of personal opinion on what equals greatness. So if you, and all the experts, and all the boxers agree, that still dont mean shit.
 
Mike tyson in his prime was unstoppable but ever since he got effed by Don king, he got bad
 
MMAGuruLV said:
In your opinion maybe. No one is the proven greatest because its all a matter of personal opinion on what equals greatness. So if you, and all the experts, and all the boxers agree, that still dont mean shit.
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I would the everyone agreeing on it would mean something
 
MMAGuruLV said:
Really though my opinion on this subject is a common one.

Based on how he did vs top tier competition durring the golden era of boxing, Id say its Ali at number 1.

Heres something wierd about my pick though, I think Tyson would have KOed Ali.
Ali said in an interview on Arsineo Hall, when asked who he thought would win between the two, that Tyson scared him, and "Im quick, but one punch from this guy and Im(then acted like he was asleep)".

Argue all you want, he would have lost the same way everyone else did in the 80's.

By being scared stiff of Tysons Punching power.

Now, if a much younger Ali disagreed, and was able to use his rediculously good footwork against Tysons flat-footed, str8 forward style. He would win in the 6th by KO

IMO

Lets see if that gets some life back in here.
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Did you just say Ali would be scared of Mike Tyson?
 
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