Greatest boxer ever?

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Henry Jackson Jr. (December 12, 1912 - October 22, 1988) was a world boxing champion who fought under the name Henry Armstrong.

The son of a sharecropper and America Armstrong, an Iroquois native American, Henry Jr. was a boxer who not only was a member of the exclusive group of fighters that have won boxing championships in three or more different divisions(at a time when there were fewer weight divisions than today), but also has the distinction of being the only boxer to hold three world championships at the same time. He also defended the Welterweight championship more times than any other fighter.

In 2002, Ring Magazine ranked Armstrong as the 2nd greatest fighter of the last 80 years, behind only Sugar Ray Robinson and ahead of the legendary Muhammad Ali.

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1 Biography
2 Record
3 Career
4 Trivia
5 See also
6 External links



[edit] Biography
A native of Columbus, Mississippi, Armstrong moved as a youngster with his family to St. Louis, Missouri, where he developed his boxing skills. Armstrong graduated from Vashon High School[1] and was later inducted into the St. Louis Walk of Fame. Armstrong's two nicknames were Hurricane Henry, and Homicide' Hank.

Armstrong started out as a professional on July 28, 1931, being knocked out by Al Sorvino in three rounds. Just like Alexis Arguello, Bernard Hopkins, and Wilfredo Vazquez in the future, Armstrong was one world champion who started off on the losing end. His first win came later that year, beating Sammy Burns by a decision in six. In 1932, Armstrong moved to Los Angeles, where he started out losing two four round decisions in a row, to Eddie Trujillo and Al Greenfield. But after that, he started a streak of 11 wins in a row, a streak which expanded to 1933, until he lost again, to Baby Manuel. Then he went 22 straight fights without a defeat, going 17-0-5 in that span, including a win in a Sacramento rematch with Manuel, and five wins over Perfecto Lopez. After that, he moved to Mexico City, where in his first fight there, he lost to former world bantamweight champion Baby Arizmendi. He had four more fights there, going 2-2 and losing to Arizmendi in what was considered by Mexico and California a world title bout (thus Armstrong losing on his first championship try), and to Baby Casanova by a five round disqualification. He then moved back to California, where he went 8-1-1 for the next ten bouts.

In 1936, Armstrong split time campaigning between Los Angeles, Mexico City and St. Louis. Some opponents of note that year were Ritchie Fontaine, against whom he lost by decision and then won by decision in the rematch, Arizmendi, whom he finally beat by a ten round decision, former world champion Juan Zurita and former champ Mike Belloise, who also lost a decision to Armstrong.

Armstrong started out 1937 by winning 22 bouts in a row, 21 by knockout. He beat Casanova in three, Belloise in four, Joe Rivers in three, former world champion Frankie Klick in four and former world champion Benny Bass in four. After those 22 wins in a row, the inevitable happened: Armstrong was given his first world title try, for the 126 pounds title, Featherweight world champion Petey Sarron defending it against him at the Madison Square Garden. Armstrong became the world's Featherweight champion knocking out Sarron in six, and closed the year with four more knockout wins.

In 1938, Armstrong started with seven more knockouts in a row, including one over future world champion Chalky Wright. The streak finally ended when Arizmendi lasted ten rounds before losing a decision to Armstrong in their fourth fight. His streak of 27 knockout wins in a row qualifies as one of the longest knockout win streaks in the history of boxing, according to Ring Magazine. After the fourth bout with Arizmendi was a bout with Fritzie Zivic's brother, Eddie Zivic, resulting in another Armstrong knockout win, and after one more bout, Armstrong, the 126 pound division world champion, challenged a fellow member of the three division champions' club, Barney Ross, then world Welterweight champion, for the title. Armstrong, 126, beat Ross, 147, by unanimous decision, adding the world Welterweight championship to his Featherweight belt. Then, he went down in weight, and challenged world Lightweight champion Lou Ambers. In a history making night, Armstrong became the first boxer ever to have world championships in three different divisions at the same time, by beating Ambers on points. A few days later, he decided he couldn't make the 126 pounds weight anymore, and left the Featherweight crown vacant.

He dedicated the next two years to defending the welterweight crown, beating, among others, future world middleweight champion Ceferino Garcia, Al Manfredo and Bobby Pacho, before defending his Lightweight belt in a rematch with Ambers, which he lost on a 15 round decision. After that, he concentrated once again on defending the world Welterweight title, and made eight defenses in a row, the last of which was a nine round knockout win over Puerto Rico's Pedro Montanez. Then, he tried to make history once again by becoming the first boxer to win world titles in four different categories in a rematch with Garcia, already world Middleweight champion, but the fight ended in a ten round draw, Armstrong's attempt to win a fourth division's world title being frustrated. According to boxing historian Bert Sugar, many felt Armstrong deserved the decision in this fight.

He went back to Welterweight and retained the title five more times, until Fritzie Zivic was able to avenge his brother Eddie's defeat by taking the world title away from Armstrong with a 15 round decision. With this loss, Armstrong's reign as Welterweight champion came to an end, leaving Armstrong's successful defense streak at eighteen, the most defenses by a champion ever in Welterweight history. In 1941, they boxed a rematch, this time, Zivic stopping Armstrong in 12 rounds.

1942 saw Armstrong go 13-1, including wins over world champions (Fritzie) Zivic in a ten round non title bout, Jenkins and Zurita.

1943 saw him go 10-3, with wins over world champions Tippy Larkin and Sammy Angott in ten round bouts, and losses to world champions Beau Jack and Sugar Ray Robinson, also in ten round bouts.

1944 saw Henry go 14-2-1 in 17 bouts, among those, another win over Belloise.

After winning one fight, losing one and drawing one in 1945, Armstrong decided to retire from boxing. Apart from the ceremonies and galas that he attended afterwards, he led a relatively quiet life for the rest of his life. He became a born-again Christian and an ordained pastor, and he taught young, upcoming fighters how to box.

Armstrong registered an official record of 150 wins, 21 losses and 9 draws, with 100 knockout wins. His exact record, however, isn't really known, because it is said he fought some pay fights under the nickname of Melody Jackson.

Armstrong became a member of the International Boxing Hall Of Fame.

After retiring from boxing, Henry Armstrong became a Baptist minister.

On his passing in 1988, he was interred in the Rosedale Cemetery in Los Angeles, California.


[edit] Record
Professional boxing:181 Fights 151 Wins 101 KOs 21 Loses 9 Draws

[edit] Career
World Featherweight champion
World Lightweight champion
World Welterweight champion

[edit] Trivia
Cousin of Billie Holiday
 
brunow said:
I'm not a huge boxing fan and haven't followed much of it, but I dig into these discussions. Who do you think was the best boxer of all times?


With my minor knowledge, I think candidates might be:

  • Muhammad Ali
  • Floyd Mayweather Jr.
  • Roy Jones Jr.
  • Joe Frazier
  • George Foreman
  • Lennox Lewis


Thoughts? Other candidates?
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Rocky Marciano. Easy.
 
Sugar Ray Robinson, but honestly I can see a prime Tyson Bulldozing over anyone. Flame away.
 
vegasmark07 said:
tyson beat sphinx thats it his only truly impressive win
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bradlee180 said:
It's not actually clear what you're asking here.

If you mean who was the best professional boxer of all-time, it would have to be an elite heavyweight because an elite heavyweight will consistently crush the lighter weight classes.
That's why weight-classes were introduced. Then promoters could make some money off these smaller guys too, and smaller guys could compete in the sport too.
The Great Joe Louis would be my pick as the best of all time.
25 Heavyweight title defenses, a record that still stands today.
About 12 years as the Champ.

To me, the Manassa Mauler Jack Dempsey is the man-for-all-seasons, the perfect fighting man...but he was an inactive champion.
At their respective bests, prime to prime, I'd go with Dempsey over Louis...but we all have favorites.

Pound-for-Pound best professional boxer is something else.
Welterweight (147) and Middleweight (160) great Sugar Ray Robinson is the man P4P.
At one point, Robinson boasted the unbelievable pro record of 131 wins against only 2 losses (both losses had been avenged) and 2 draws.
Robinson's amateur record was 85 wins, no losses, 69 KOs.

Then there's also the style thing.
Do you mean "best boxer" regarding boxing styles like a pure classic boxer, a puncher, a brawler, a boxer-puncher, a counter-puncher, a pressure fighter,
Probably 128 lb Will O' the Wisp Willie Pep for pure boxer.

Muhammad Ali didn't have a good classic boxing style per se.
Ali didn't have the fundamentals.
Speed, athleticism, heart, and toughness compensated and made him one of the best of all-time.

I'd say Joe Louis was a boxer-puncher.
Ligh-Heavywweight Billy Conn's beautiful boxing had him up on the cards against Joe Louis until Conn elected to stand and try to KO Louis instead of continung to box him.

In recent years, Chris Byrd was a blown-up 169 pounder successfully competing at Heavyweight all based on slick boxing skills. I both hated and loved watching Byrd at the same time.

105 lb Ivan Calderon nowadays for best pure boxer I guess.
Pernell Whitaker has to be mentioned.

Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes for best boxing at Heavyweight I guess.
Lennox did have 1 punch KO power in the right hand, but he and Holmes were still basically classic boxers.
Nowhere near as slick as the lighter guys though.
Gene Tunney and Jersey Joe Walcott weren't dominant enough.
Jack Johnson was a dominant fighter. Mostly defensive boxing and counter-punching.

I think Joe Louis vs Muhammad Ali would somewhat resemble Marco Antonio Barrera's dismantling of Prince Naseem Hamed.

Sugar Ray Robinson was versatile. A multi-dimensional fighter.
He could box, punch, counter-punch.

Bernard Hopkins is a multi-dimensional fighter.
In the 90's, he fought a lot tougher and more aggressive.
Too defensive in his old age with the exception of the Pavlik fight.
Hopkins hasn't fought that style in about 10 years.

James Toney was a banger in his early years at 160 lbs, and he was being handily outboxed by boxer Michael Nunn...until Toney finally caught him.
5'9" Toney's style really evolved until he was one of the best boxers in there capable of winning rds and fights aginst Heavyweights.

Buddy McGirt dismantling Simon Brown when Brown was the best welterweight on the planet is a master class in scientific boxing.


That said,
Yep, boxing sucks.

Punching is where it's at!

Long live Dempsey, Joe Louis, Sullivan, Marciano, Liston, Frazier, Shavers, Foreman, Tyson FOREVER!

Throw Julian Jackson, Tommy Hearns, Bob Foster, Bob Satterfield, and Bob Fitzsimmons in there too.
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Great post. I really enjoyed reading it. My pick hands down is Ali. Not only what he did in the ring,but also out side it.
 
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