Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by SBJ, May 25, 2014.
Any ranking system that has Marcelo tied for 3rd is flawed.
Any list that has Xande above Roger has no credibility. All you have to do is look at their head to hear records. Plus, unless you take out absolute division medals big guys will essentially always be ranked above smaller guys.
For my money, Marcelo and Roger are tied for #1. You can't really distinguish between them. I would put the Ribeiro bros, Robson Moura, Andre Galvao, Braulio, and Romulo at the next level down, probably with Bruno Malfacine and Rafa Mendes as well. After that I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who should also be up there.
If Mendes and Malfacine are there, Cobrinha has to be. Also I know the level of competition was different, but Royler has to be in that second level, 4 Mundials and 3 ADCC definitely rank him up there.
Cobrinha is a good one for sure, Royler as well. No complaints with either of those guys for being in the 'all time elite but not GOAT' club.
Love anytime this is reposted I'm happy. Xande rocks
Don't you think some success in MMA should count for something?
Its a list based on competition results.
Not a list of who has the best jiujitsu.
That's a fair distinction. "Most Successful Competitors of All Time" would probably have been a better title, but I'd say they used a reasonable metric.
I'm just glad this didn't turn out to be about Ryron Gracie.
Any list that tries to use simple scoring like this never works to be honest,
you need to have boxrec's style ranking that considers level of competition and
not just on a few events but also whom they beat outside these four major events here.
Roger Gracie, no question. Marcelo a very close runner-up.
I think it's a fair list, if not perfect.
I think even if you do not rate xande #1, he belongs on a list of greatest of all time. I would not have thought that without the evidence in front of me.
Its a shame the IBJJF banned him otherwise Matt Barvo would be up there.
Not a bad list, not that I follow a large amount of sport BJJ. Its still subjective without considering level of competition, other competitions and time off/total time competing vs performance.
Points rankings tend to give too much credit for frequency of competition. Roger competed less than Xande, but with greater success. It also considers raw results rather than who the competitor beat, and how they won. As a result, these systems come up with results that seem just as arbitrary as any fan's individual rankings.
Professional boxing is completely different because it doesnt has tournament formats, these kinds of ranking system is virtually used by all amateur sports in the world, even amateur boxing.
What you may change is weighing different tournaments with different values, for example worlds should weigh more than panams
That list is good fodder for conversation, but I had to read way too far down to find Robson.
SBJ, more Gracie propaganda?
normally Id agree with you ...but the list is from http://www.bjjheroes.com ..they are pretty impartial..
also wouldn't he have wanted roger number 1... if he was doing gracie propaganda?
In an odd way, no. Roger was Gracie Barra, his main teacher was his dad Mauricio Gomes. In terms of closeness to the original Gracie Humaita lineage, the Ribeiro bros are closer.
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