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Law Great American Outdoors Act

Oh good. Was worried for a minute. My father is retired army logistics officer and he made a 4 page itinerary lol. Should be fun.

The trips through there with my dad (RIP) and family were the greatest times of my life, or at least certainly my childhood. The complaints over crowds and commercialization are honestly bullshit to me, from people who clearly never bothered to get off the boardwalks. 95%+ of Yellowstone is savage wilderness with no form of development at all, and there are over 1,100 miles of backcountry trails with rarely another human in sight. And that's just within the park's 2.2 million acre (artificial) boundaries; the greater ecosystem is 10x that and nearly 35,000 square miles, over twice the size of Switzerland.

Damn it @Deorum you did it again

I'd honestly split them up into multiple trips unless you can dedicate 7-8 days to each of them and be out on like a month long hiatus, lol. The two are pretty much the epitome of 'Great American Outdoors', the only places in the contiguous US where you're in the habitat and presence of wild bison herds, grizzly bears, and wolf packs.

 
I worked for them in one summer in mesa verde. They bunked us in 50 Sq ft huts and the kitchens were always filthy where you couldn't cook anything and they refused to clean them. Toward the end of the summer they bunked me with an ex con who had outstanding warrants. He got arrested near town after a high speed chase after he stole one of the girls cars who was working there. Good times.

I worked for the NPS at Mesa Verde for a season as well. I knew some guys who worked for Aramark, and let's just say I believe every word from your experience.
 
Is there any chance this can get a nice re-up injection with some executive branch insistence in 2025 for FY26? Does anyone oppose doing so? The GAOA was probably my single favorite piece of legislation passed during the DJT era. The LWCF now has a perpetual source of funding, and that's great. However, the NPS on the whole has long been subject to severe constraints where annual budgetary appropriations are concerned. This is despite the fact that the natural and cultural sites comprising our park system are considered to be a collective national treasure, with the agency itself rated the most favorable entity of the federal government by the American public.

The Great American Outdoors Act (H.R. 1957) is a piece of legislation passed by the United States Congress, signed by President Donald J. Trump, and activated into Public Law (Public Law No. 116-152) in 2020. It has two major components: fully and permanently fund the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF) at $900 million per year, and provide $9.5 billion over five years ($1.9 billion annually) to address a maintenance backlog at American National Parks, including updating facilities to increase accessibility for the general public. At the time, the Associated Press wrote that it would be "the most significant conservation legislation enacted in nearly half a century."



Are you asking if 2025 congress will budget additional funds for NPS?

I agree that we should, but I strongly doubt that will happen.

Here's the original vote by party on HR 1957


229 democrats and 81 republicans voted for it to pass.

104 republicans and 2 democrats voted against it.

It's theoretically possible an expansion could occur with bipartisan support but with a republican majority in the house and senate and rhetoric calling for massive federal spending cuts by the legislature I'm doubtful.


Our 2025 congress is more likely to overturn the legislation than expand it.
 
Bumping this thread as this might be of interest to you:

- I came here to post that Trump cuts are gonna affext the maintenaince of parks. How much the Hippo-Potus can abuse before he breaks the cammel back?
 
- I'm starting to think he could film it. And people would still defend him!

Google Republican town hall backlash.

Its starting. People are mad AF. They're gonna trigger a class uprising because they're stupid.
 
he's literally going to milk america dry while the chuds cheer him on.

Because the one promise he can guarantee them is the minorities wont get it. The billionaires are of an acceptable demographic and that gives them some reprieve.

They might be a wage slave, but they wont have to be nice to trans people as well, or black people, or Mexicans...or women, etc.
 
Google Republican town hall backlash.

Its starting. People are mad AF. They're gonna trigger a class uprising because they're stupid.

-A number of Republican lawmakers faced significant pushback in their home districts over Trump and Elon Musk's slashing of the federal government.

WASHINGTON — House Republicans are becoming weary and wary of in-person town hall meetings after a number of lawmakers have faced hometown crowds angry about the Trump administration’s push to slash government programs and staffing.

Party leaders suggest that if lawmakers feel the need to hold such events, they do tele-town halls or at least vet attendees to avoid scenes that become viral clips, according to GOP sources.

A GOP aide said House Republican leaders are urging lawmakers to stop engaging in them altogether.

The town halls, and the rash of negative headlines, have been the first bit of public blowback for members who face voters next year. And the new reluctance to hold them indicates there are bubbling concerns about the impact the cuts could have on the GOP's chances of holding its thin majority in the House next year.

The viral nature of video clips spreading from one district to another means a bad confrontation in safe Republican territory could influence voters in battlegrounds.

The GOP-led House is trying to enact even deeper spending and tax cuts through legislation that could add as much as $4.5 trillion to the national debt over the next decade. But much of the tension focused on billionaire Elon Musk, the face of President Donald Trump’s effort to unilaterally eliminate jobs, contracts and grants. Musk, who is a “special government employee” advising Trump, did not require Senate confirmation to take his temporary post.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ans-town-halls-blowback-trump-cuts-rcna193766
 
This is now a necessity unless the firings and freezes are reconsidered and promptly reversed. South Rim is an absolute circus right now with traffic congestion and wait lines comparable to the height of peak season -- and we're still months away from Memorial Day. It's going to be such an aggravating and disappointing experience for so many people this year. Don't be among them, and straight-up plan on the NR. I have all the info you would ever need.

Next summer we have the Grand Canyon road trip planned for my eldest's 25th and my youngest's 16th birthdays!

Trying to convince them on October, as I'm dreading summer temps. But the girlfriend wants to do it for the kid's birthdays (July and August).

We are flying out to Chicago to pick up my eldest, renting an RV, and road trippin' down Route 66 from there.

Three more years and my youngest is 18, he'll be hanging back and watching the house and dog while my girl and I hit the road going campground to campground and National Park to National Park.

I will be activating my banked sick time and taking a three-month sabbatical for that...

Find me somehwere out on that horizon!
Holy Fuckin' W, bruh.

If you're worried about summer temps, take the detour up to the North Rim, one of the most remote locations in the entire country. My god, take it regardless if you've already made it this far. It's over 1000 feet higher than the South, at least 10 degrees cooler, and has 10% of the annual visitation. It adheres to everything Teddy wanted a national park experience to be, and TR thought a lot about the GC. I hiked right by one of his exact camping spots on the Cliff Spring trail last month.

"The Grand Canyon fills me with awe. It is beyond comparison—beyond description; absolutely unparalleled throughout the wide world... Let this great wonder of nature remain as it now is. Do nothing to mar its grandeur, sublimity, and loveliness. You cannot improve on it. But you can keep it for your children, your children's children, and all who come after you, as the one great sight which every American should see." -- Theodore Roosevelt

I still can't believe I get to call it my 'local' national park, lol. It's straight up fucking ridiculous in terms of sheer size, scale, and scenic beauty yes; but you're also looking directly at two billion years of geological history exposed and on display along its horizontal strata. There are five of North America's seven life zones represented within the park's boundaries, and the North Rim is the only place in the USA that you can catch a glimpse of the continent's largest land mammal (American Bison) and bird species (California Condor) in the same place.



(^ The "wait" to get in on the 4th of July this year!)

You also get this as an added bonus.


Arizona State Highway 67 provides access to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. The drive from Jacob Lake to the North Rim has been described as “the most pleasant 44 miles in America”. The highway is (also) a designated National Forest Scenic Byway and a State Scenic Parkway. The Byway starts on State Highway 67 (SR-67) and continues to the end of Grand Canyon National Park on the North Rim. As the route passes through the Kaibab National Forest, visitors can view beautiful high elevation mixed conifer forests, subalpine meadows, montane grasslands, ponds, and limestone outcrops. Wildlife is abundant along this highway, watch for mule deer and meandering buffalo!
 

Top senators have begun working on reauthorizing the Great American Outdoors Act, a sweeping bill passed during President Donald Trump’s first term to fund maintenance projects at the nation’s national parks.

The law is set to run out of funding in mid-2025, while the deferred maintenance backlog at the Park Service it was intended to address continues to grow. When the bill was signed in 2020, the backlog was at roughly $17 billion, adjusted for inflation. According to the latest figures from fiscal year 2023, that figure has now grown to $23 billion.

That’s despite yearly infusions of $1.9 billion from the law into the Legacy Restoration Fund, which was created by the act to address the deferred maintenance backlog. The bill was passed with an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote in 2020 and signed into law by Trump, who has since returned to the White House.
 
Disregard @Long Dark Blues. It looks like they realized they made a clusterfuck oopsie (as predicted) and now Burgum says the NPS needs to hire 5,000 people for the peak season months.

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