Grand Moff Tarkin Out Ranks Vader?

[Cuzcatlan]

and in regards to others, Cushing was very gaunt and skinny, almost emaciated in Star Wars.

He gave off an aura of death and darkness. The same aura the Empire gave off.



Great casting.

Sopposedly they are bringing him back digitally for the Rogue One movie.

 

[A Pennysworth]

Palpatine purposely picked apprentices who would never be able to challenge him. He always had another apprentice waiting in the wings. Vader never could reach his potential once he became half machine.

 

[BoomStronk]

Palpatine purposely picked apprentices who would never be able to challenge him. He always had another apprentice waiting in the wings. Vader never could reach his potential once he became half machine.

Vader was just a place holder? who was the other apprentice waiting in the wings? why would palps be so obsessed with finding luke if he didnt want a more powerful apprentice?

You reckon Palpsmear just steps outside of the rule of two?

 

[armbarforhire]

I think Vader was more important to Palpatine but Tarkin was more important to the whole miloitary side of the empire. Lots of the other military men actually believed Vader to be crazy and had no respect for him (tought they did feared because crazy and being Palpetines right hand man).

Also Vader was doing a lot more combat missions (like flying a tie fighter in combat, assaulting Leias ship, assaulting the rebel base in Hoth).

I dont think Vader had as much people under his command as Tarkin, but he could take control of who ever he needed based on the task he was performing .

 

[jazza]

in the clone wars anakin all ready respected him alot

 

[A Pennysworth]

Vader was just a place holder? who was the other apprentice waiting in the wings? why would palps be so obsessed with finding luke if he didnt want a more powerful apprentice?

You reckon Palpsmear just steps outside of the rule of two?

Yes. Palpatine would want to hold to power for as long as possible. And its not really circumventing the power of two as there is always a master and aprentice. (We will never know who was waiting in the wings as Vader never looked to betray Palpatine, something Palpatine knew.) And why wouldnt Palpatine want Luke, who was much more powerful than his father and was starting to question Palpatines decisions. but not as powerful as himself.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Vader was just a place holder? who was the other apprentice waiting in the wings? why would palps be so obsessed with finding luke if he didnt want a more powerful apprentice?

You reckon Palpsmear just steps outside of the rule of two?

Without a doubt. Palpatine was researching how to transfer his consciousness into other bodies, effectively making himself immortal. He intended not only to be the greatest Sith Lord but also the last. No matter how powerful an Apprentice became, he would never be able to kill Palpatine.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Well sure his look is awesome if youre in the audience. But if youre Palpatine you might be disappointed...

You don't train a sith apprentice to get killed on his first outing. Especially not after 20+ years of training. How can you even debate this any longer.

1)Maul was as the coolest thing about all three prequels, and can hang with anyone in the OG movies. And I'll fight any man who says different.:icon_evil

2)Technically, Maul wasn't an Apprentice, as Sideous began training him while still apprenticed himself to Darth Plaguies. He was trained as Sith Assassin, which is the Sith equivalent of a Black Ops operator. He was supposed to be used for high risk, surgical strikes. Most importantly, he was expendable, which is why Plaguies allowed Palpatine to train him in the first place. Sideous referred to him as an Apprentice simply as a matter of form, and to boost Maul's ego.

3)Phantom Menace wasn't Maul's first rodeo. It wasn't even the first time he fought and killed Jedi Knights. Maul has been used on several black ops long before he arrived on Naboo. Including a highly successful mission against the Black Sun, the Star Wars version of the Mafia.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

1)Maul was as the coolest thing about all three prequels, and can hang with anyone in the OG movies. And I'll fight any man who says different.:icon_evil

2)Technically, Maul wasn't an Apprentice, as Sideous began training him while still apprenticed himself to Darth Plaguies. He was trained as Sith Assassin, which is the Sith equivalent of a Black Ops operator. He was supposed to be used for high risk, surgical strikes. Most importantly, he was expendable, which is why Plaguies allowed Palpatine to train him in the first place. Sideous referred to him as an Apprentice simply as a matter of form, and to boost Maul's ego.

3)Phantom Menace wasn't Maul's first rodeo. It wasn't even the first time he fought and killed Jedi Knights. Maul has been used on several black ops long before he arrived on Naboo. Including a highly successful mission against the Black Sun, the Star Wars version of the Mafia.

Yes I know all of this, most is from the EU. Still doesn't change the fact that all that training went right Down The drain On the siths big coming out party. Which Naboo was. Well at least according to the phantom menace it was their coming out party.

 

[Hogey]

1)Maul was as the coolest thing about all three prequels, and can hang with anyone in the OG movies. And I'll fight any man who says different.:icon_evil

2)Technically, Maul wasn't an Apprentice, as Sideous began training him while still apprenticed himself to Darth Plaguies. He was trained as Sith Assassin, which is the Sith equivalent of a Black Ops operator. He was supposed to be used for high risk, surgical strikes. Most importantly, he was expendable, which is why Plaguies allowed Palpatine to train him in the first place. Sideous referred to him as an Apprentice simply as a matter of form, and to boost Maul's ego.

3)Phantom Menace wasn't Maul's first rodeo. It wasn't even the first time he fought and killed Jedi Knights. Maul has been used on several black ops long before he arrived on Naboo. Including a highly successful mission against the Black Sun, the Star Wars version of the Mafia.

I thought plaugius did not believe in the rule of 2.

 

[Raiman]

How did Palpatine use Rule of One when he trained apprentices...and sought out new and better ones. I never understood this when it was brought up.

I just assumed that Palpatine planned on living forever and training force sensitives in the way of the Sith. Not divulging all information to them but just enough to keep them at a power level that couldn't overtake his own.

Basically using all as puppets, hence Maul and Dooku.

Yes. This is what I understand of how he used the rule of one. But Anakin was the one to bring balance to the force as Yoda pointed out which is why I'm not sure Palpatine knew. Bringing balance to the force is another topic entirely but if that where the case how would that occur? By ending the Sith again or help bring the rise of the Sith again?

 

[Raiman]

Vader was the most powerful of them all tho I thought according to the mythos.

Or did all the side bullcrap over the years change that?

He was to bring balance to the force right? But what does that mean? What I mean by this is if the sith where toNO ying to the yang if you get me be destroyed how is that balance?

 

[GracieMMABarra]

Well sure his look is awesome if youre in the audience. But if youre Palpatine you might be disappointed...

You don't train a sith apprentice to get killed on his first outing. Especially not after 20+ years of training. How can you even debate this any longer.

I'm no star wars expert but Maul killed Jinn, who could be argued as the most force sensitive character. Even Yoda wasn't on his level on with certain things.

Maul ain't no can. George's writing was.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I'm no star wars expert but Maul killed Jinn, who could be argued as the most force sensitive character. Even Yoda wasn't on his level on with certain things.

Maul ain't no can. George's writing was.

Explain to me how he's better than YODA

 

[LEWIS540]

Explain to me how he's better than YODA

Yoda's coming out party, his first big dance, he let Dooku escape.

His second chance, he get's murked by the Emperor and runs away for 20 years, doing nothing.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Tarkin spoke to Vader like that because he's a bad mother fucker, not because he outranked him. Tarkin is in charge of the baddest military of the galaxy, so he's not going to puss when he wants something. He didn't want Vader to kill a valuable asset, so he told him to stop. Vader was being petty and Tarkin doesn't have time for that shit with the war to fight. Vader, respects his position enough to let the abrasive comment slide. Ultimately though, Siths don't give a fuck about military structure. He's more of a politician/enforcer than a soldier.

 

[BoomStronk]

I just read through this whole thread and grew a neckbeard in like 6 minutes.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

It's odd that Vader did the more risky job by flying outside the station to blow up the rebel fighters but was the only one to survive the explosion

If they'd got Vader on top of everyone else that woulda been a big deal.

31 million imperials died on the Death Star

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Yoda's coming out party, his first big dance, he let Dooku escape.

His second chance, he get's murked by the Emperor and runs away for 20 years, doing nothing.

I guess you missed the scene where he tried running from YODA.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I guess you missed the scene where he tried running from YODA.

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